Maine Court Rules in Favor of Transgender Student

Posted by Maphesdus 11 years, 3 months ago to Legislation
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So according to this decision, it's now effectively illegal for public schools to discriminate on the basis of gender identity in the state of Maine.

Alternate article on Bangor Daily News:
http://bangordailynews.com/2012/11/20/ne...


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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A child's biological gender and gender identity are controlled by genetic factors beyond the parents' control. The type of clothing and toys the child is given to play with is really quite irrelevant. I'm not familiar with the case you're citing, but I expect the child in question most likely gravitates towards the toys and clothing which are most in line with their own internal gender identity, which is also most likely in line with their biological gender. Attempting to raise a child in a gender neutral environment does not produce a transsexual. It's something that's controlled by genetics.

    Of course I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with providing a child with both boys' and girls toys', but the parents are being slightly naive. But as long as they're truly letting the child choose their own path, I don't think it matters.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It depends. Does your daughter who asked the question exhibit any tomboyish tendencies or displeasure at being a girl? Has she ever expressed any desire to be a boy?

    When children ask questions about gender, and whether or not it's possible to change genders, it could possibly mean that child is experiencing gender dysphoria and wants to know if there's a way out. Or it could just mean they're curious about the world and want to know how things work. It's difficult to say for sure without observing the child's behavior over a prolonged period of time.

    But regardless, as long as you're teaching your kids to be kind and respectful towards everyone, including people who are born different, the details don't matter. Honestly, I don't think young children are going to remember the biology lessons their parents presented to them when they grow up, anyway.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And what about those young individuals like Coy Mathis who transition at age 6?
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Part of the " traumatizing is association and later about embarrassment /harrassment. I find it hard to believe that all the other kids are traumatized by this and easier to believe there 's a fair amount of misunderstanding. Hoe ever until the society can accept these realities, you cannot give one group rights over another. I do not really see that in this case. The ruling appears to be reasonable. In your bathroom stall presumably no one is watching you. End of story.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 11 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Maphesdus, are you gay? Do you have a transgendered child? I don't mean any disrespect. I just want to get a feel for what makes you tick.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    MTF stands for male-to-female. The opposite is female-to-male, or FTM. It's basically just a way of specifying the direction in which a person is transitioning.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't see any problems, no. What I see is you spouting off irrational and baseless fears about things you don't understand.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually, such conditions have likely been around since the dawn of mankind, but have only been recently discovered with modern scientific advances. Although it isn't always the case with every individual, I've noticed that conditions like androgen insensitivity syndrome and adrenal hyperplasia do to tend to be more common among the transsexual community (though the gay and lesbian communities are a different story).

    The purpose of listing such conditions was to point out that biological gender isn't always as clear cut as we like to think it is.
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  • Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Boys should share the bathroom with boys, girls should share the bathroom with girls in high school. If they went all the way through grammar school listed as a boy they are a boy through high school.
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  • Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    All of these syndromes have been around for decades. Wiki is not exactly a good source. That doesn't mean transexuals or homosexuals typically have one of the syndromes listed.
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  • Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Notice the syndomes listed above are result in an abnormal number of chromosomes. The standard number of chromosomes is 46 in a human being.
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  • Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It depends which one we are speaking about. Lots of kids would probably be shocked that people are trying to link their genetic disorder to signs they may become transexual or other, as if the challeges they face are not significant enough. I have seen no conclusive scientific evidence to conclude they will become homosexual or transexual.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    LOL. How do they prove it?

    Why can't my daughter "pee in peace" without concern that a boy might invade her space while she's got her knickers down? See the problem here Maphesdus? Are you a parent, a biological parent? See what happens when government SANCTIONS sexual orientation? It gets messed up and opened to abuse.

    This is an odd form of collectivism and nothing more...Subject your kids to transgender people in the restroom for the good of the people. It's all part of a rope-a-dope, which is why it is being pushed by the government. I repeat - this is about kids, getting to your kids.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How does one not pee in peace? Peeing in the bathroom the architects designed for you isn't enough? This is everything about kids and parental rights and nothing about peeing. How about here in California where, if I was back playing high school football I can tell you where I'd shower now - in the girls locker room. To deny me that actually does traumatize me in some way.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Just to be clear the biological sex chromosome errors do not result in a third biological sex, they are genetic disorders .with other physical and /or mental impairments."
    I've heard they often result in physical or mental impairments but not always.
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  • Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There is no perfect answer. They are people and I want them treated just as kindly as the next person. The rare chromosomal conditions rarely result in a transgender or homosexual person. I would bet the frequency with in the population with a genetic disorder is not significantly increased over the general population. I agree to disagree. I enjoyed talking with you. I will read all the links you provided.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 11 years, 3 months ago
    A militant branch of the homosexual community really wants to get to your kids. That's what this is. How does it feel?
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