Maine Court Rules in Favor of Transgender Student

Posted by Maphesdus 11 years, 3 months ago to Legislation
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So according to this decision, it's now effectively illegal for public schools to discriminate on the basis of gender identity in the state of Maine.

Alternate article on Bangor Daily News:
http://bangordailynews.com/2012/11/20/ne...


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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If you can objectively demonstrate a way in which it actually violates other people's privacy, you would have a legitimate point. Otherwise...
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  • Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't have anyone telling me when I can and can't use the bathroom. If they are divided by physical sex the bathrooms will be almost evenly split between boys and girls. If anyone tries anything in the bathroom they will all be better able to fend off such advances, than a girl can against a boy. Remember just because someone doesn't like to be a boy doesn't mean they stop wanting girls or vice versa. You must realize there will never be a Utopian society where everyone's feelings are protected. My daughter has a learning disability. I couldn't pretend like she didn't need help or hide the fact that the other kids would shy away. That experience helps to teach coping skills as well.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Throw all the variables in a pile? Does that mean anyone who is gay, lesbian, or transgender would have to use a specially segregated restroom separate from the rest of the population?
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Based on my own experience and people I've talked to, I would have to say that in many cases most people who struggle with it really do have some kind of physical or genetic condition which causes it, but in a few other cases it may sometimes be purely psychological. Of course the problem this presents is how do we distinguish between the two? There is a small fraction of the community which does end up regretting the procedures after the fact, but most find that their own sense of happiness and self-worth is increased. As an advocate for individual freedom and personal responsibility, my own stance is to just let people do whatever they want with their own bodies and live with whatever results that brings, positive or negative.
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  • Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I really intended to throw all the variables in a pile see my other comment about safety etc.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well you said you don't want to use the same restroom as someone who could potentially be sexually attracted to you. Taking that stance to its logical conclusion, such a position would require that gays and lesbians be forced to use the restrooms of the opposite sex, or a separate restroom entirely. You say that politics should be kept out of school, but your own suggestion would impose a political requirement of segregation were it to actually be implemented.

    And why should the original sex be the determining factor? Don't the transgender students have any rights?
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  • Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Psychiatry statistics, not exactly science. It really makes no difference what caused it. They feel as they do.That is what we are talking about. I suggest that it is indeed a psychological response. Identical twins are not both gay or transsexual. They are as they are. I like mashed potatoes fancy dresses being a girl and I love men. They don't for whatever reason. If it is ever truly determined to be physical then someone can create a pill for anyone that wants to use it. I saw a show with two transexuals that were taking hormones to convert. One became pregnant. They were in love with each other as their original sex but planned to have the final procedure. I guess they were willing to accept the result of that other sex they would be sleeping with after their surgeries. So I guess they are flexible too. .
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  • Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Leave politics out of school. When they are 18 all of them can make their own decisions about what they are comfortable with. Let the original sex be the determining factor. Then we won't end up with groups of boys donning dresses to use the girls bathrooms. They will be fine. See my earlier comment.
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  • Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Putting personal feelings of the transgender ahead of other's rights to privacy is not objective.
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  • Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Human behavior, safety and privacy should be considerations for all involved. If there was a sexual attack against the transgender kid they would be able to fight someone of their own original sex easier than someone of the opposite sex.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So should gays and lesbians be forced to use different restrooms than straight people?
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    According to the articles, shortly after the initial incident occurred, Nicole's parents moved her to a different school where her identity as a girl was respected, and she hasn't had any problems since. The lawsuit was more about seeking justice than anything else.

    Plus, now Maine has a clear law in place should any other transgender students encounter a similar issue in the future.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Really? In what way? How does it violate the rights of normal people at all? "

    FIFY
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  • Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ah but just because someone is transexual does not mean they are homosexual after changing their sex. I don't want someone sexually attracted to me to use the stall next to me. Do I have rights to privacy while I use the bathroom?
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  • Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I listed the other genetic disorders under the earlier comment posted by Maphesdus.
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