Is Vegas an Appropriate Spot for FreedomFest?

Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 12 months ago to News
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K and I are at FreedomFest, which is being held in Vegas. K was talking to the valet, who was a hard working, good looking young man. The valet suggested to K that the economy was a zero sum game. I think getting across that the economy is not a zero sum game is something all the different groups at FreedomFest would agree on, but how do you do that in a town built on zero sum (or less) games?

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  • Posted by Esceptico 9 years, 12 months ago
    I love Vegas, especially the shows and a general "live and let live" attitude.
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  • Posted by bsmith51 9 years, 12 months ago
    You're not likely to get informed opinion (or positive press) from a place where the unsaid mantra is: "It is morally wrong to allow suckers to keep their money" (slogan borrowed from Murphy the Optimist).
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  • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 12 months ago
    The largest publicly-owned shooting range in the US is in Clark County.. (Las Vegas). It's a great place for a Freedom Fest.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There's a lot of lovely coastal towns that would appreciate receiving the economic boost of conventions. $crew Vega$!
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 12 months ago
    Make them prove it? I wouldn't suggest Vegas for anything family in any case unless it's drastically changed. I remember walking outside of any hotel and running into a fence of newspaper type racks offering anything you did not want your family to see. The mob understood that when they ran things what's wrong with the government.

    As for zero sum gain ask them if they have looked a the national debt lately? Somebodies pie is getting larger and Lost Wages Meringue isn't shrinking.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 9 years, 12 months ago
    We generally fly into Vegas, rent a car and head out.
    Zion is 2 1/2 hours north. Death Valley is 1 1/2 hours west. LonePine CA (Mount Whitney) is just outside DV to the west and Yosemite is just over the mountains.
    If they would understand the potential of real tourism and the magnificent beauty surrounding them, Las Vegas as a gambling venue would lose some appeal.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 12 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are lots of 'smaller' cities across the coutry that would love to have such a convention, and local small businesses can be involved to spread the message of liberty. Lots of interesting scenery and other business attractions, too, in smaller cities that don't get the media attention that Vegas, NY, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago get.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 12 months ago
    Vegas is a cheap place to hold such meetings because the gaming "industry" wants to bring in as many suckers as possible.
    The ONLY reason to hold ANYTHING in Vegas (other than gambling or sidewalk egg frying) is the price of the venue.
    That is a legitimate reason, but I think Vegas is a $#!+-hole (after the first visit for curiosity's sake.)
    Reno is another similar venue. It lacks the has-been shows of Vegas, but offers better climate (in summer) and nearby Lake Tahoe. Niagra Falls,NY is an eastern venue with such lower costs and nearby tourist attraction.

    With some leg work by organisers, economical, excellent, alternate sites can be found in many cities, just not in the premier hotel locations of the city.
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  • Posted by VetteGuy 9 years, 12 months ago
    I've been to (engineering) conventions in Vegas in the summer. I think is was 108 F when I was there ... Some interesting stuff on the strip, but when I got some free time I headed northeast to Valley of Fire, and then west to Red Rock Canyon. If you like more natural surroundings and/or just need a break from the hustle and bustle, give them a try.
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  • Posted by SaltyDog 9 years, 12 months ago
    I would suggest that gaming is not a microcosm of an economy in that it is not a value for value exchange. I'm speaking here of the game itself...that is of itself necessarily a zero sum proposition. It could be argued that access to the game with the attendant hospitality industry IS a value for value trade, so yes, I think Vegas is an acceptable venue for people who understand the difference. (For those who don't understand, it doesn't matter. Siberia would work just as well.)
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