Rand and the Mystics

Posted by j_IR1776wg 5 years, 3 months ago to Philosophy
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"As products of the split between man’s soul and body, there are two kinds of teachers of the Morality of Death: the mystics of spirit and the mystics of muscle, whom you call the spiritualists and the materialists, those who believe in consciousness without existence and those who believe in existence without consciousness. Both demand the surrender of your mind, one to their revelations, the other to their reflexes. No matter how loudly they posture in the roles of irreconcilable antagonists, their moral codes are alike, and so are their aims: in matter—the enslavement of man’s body, in spirit—the destruction of his mind." from the Ayn Rand Lexicon

Where would you place President Obama in the above thought? Mystic of spirit? or Mystic of muscle?


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  • Posted by ProfChuck 5 years, 3 months ago
    Obama is like a child that knows all the words but has no idea what they mean. His world view is that people should heed what he says and ignore what he does. But because he has a dim view at best of what his words mean his rhetoric provides little in the way of useful information. To truly understand Obama and other "liberal-progressive-collectivists" you need to do the opposite. Pay close attention to what they do and completely ignore everything they say.
    Obama, like most liberal-progressives, has a very primitive understanding of economics in that they believe money has mystical properties that can be controlled by edict (incantations) rather than market forces. So in that sense he is a mystic of the ephemeral.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 5 years, 3 months ago
    I would place him as a sock puppet to Secular Progressives under the Mystic George Yoda and the out and out looter George Soros. Which nicely takes care of mind (or lack there of) and muscle (about seven billion) Shock Troops galore betweenHollywood, US Congress's Government Party and the former mainstream mystical media - and for Gestapo the ACLU.

    Not to put too fine a point on it.

    Question to anyone? how did an orphan refugee from eastern Europe make his way across the curtain to immediately attend top drawer university in England add London School of Economics and skate his way on thin ice to present position? Who is he really working for? Or since the 'Soviet Union Collapsed is he just acting as a free agent for the Socialists You get two choices China or the new US Government Party.
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    • Posted by 5 years, 3 months ago
      How did a man probably born in Kenya with a CT Social Security number,with no verifiable accomplishments in life end up in the Oval Office? He was groomed for the job.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 5 years, 3 months ago
        Soros cloned a new version of himself? Next question who created Soros? Who does he really work for?
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        • Posted by 5 years, 3 months ago
          This from Wiki "In 1947, Soros emigrated to England and became an impoverished student at the London School of Economics.[22] While a student of the philosopher Karl Popper, Soros worked as a railway porter and as a waiter. A female university tutor requested aid for Soros, and he received £40 from a Religious Society of Friends (Quaker) charity.[23] In a discussion at the Los Angeles World Affairs Council in 2006, Alvin Shuster, former foreign editor of the Los Angeles Times, asked Soros, "How does one go from an immigrant to a financier? ... When did you realise that you knew how to make money?" Soros replied, "Well, I had a variety of jobs and I ended up selling fancy goods on the sea side, souvenir shops, and I thought, that's really not what I was cut out to do. So, I wrote to every managing director in every merchant bank in London, got just one or two replies, and eventually that's how I got a job in a merchant bank."[24] That job was an entry-level position in Singer & Friedlander.

          In 1951, Soros earned a BSc in Philosophy and a PhD in Philosophy in 1954, both from the London School of Economics.[25]"

          It seems he did it bootstrap style or does he own Wikipedia?
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_...
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 5 years, 3 months ago
            Did they mention the part where he was fine 2 million for insider trading and other close brushes with the law, just for starters. More Milliken and Madoff than Buffet (I had to look up Buffet in moment of brain -arts and used the phrase Billionaire Investors. These guys are a dime a dozen!" Real name George Schwartz he is on record as wanting higher taxes while keeping his money safely offshore. And a big time supporter of extreme left wing causes and people. Sure he's brilliant. You may remember the recent battle with with someone that wanted the right to buy elections across the country. Easy to understand the outcome. The motto is Where's Mine? and the slogan is I have the right without explanation to take all your rights without exception.

            Not all success stories have laudable endings. this one is just a little bit too perfect for me. helluva it is he's a citizen but not just like the rest of us.

            But he is the reason and root cause for same sex marriage. among other unlaudable attacks on this country.
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  • Posted by VetteGuy 5 years, 3 months ago
    I think there are elements of both Mystic of Muscle and Spirit in Obama's behavior. Muscle in the form of using the IRS and other agencies to attack conservative groups (like Gibson Guitar) and Mystic of Spirit in his rhetoric regarding "hope" and the sell job of "Ocare is wonderful" and global warming is "settled science". The Oracle has said it is so ... to believe otherwise is blasphemy.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 3 months ago
    Both.
    He is the classic combination of Shaman and Hun. However, he reserves his use of force for his own people. The thought of foreign war scares the crap out of him. He reminds me of the big brother who will only beat up his younger brother. Other kids make him wet his pants.
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  • Posted by woodlema 5 years, 3 months ago
    Jeb Bush said: "I've already stated my views about Donald Trump,"

    Actually he has state nothing, only rambled on and on. There is a book I love, that is well used for writing college papers.

    Title: "How to say NOTING in 500 words."

    THAT is what Jeb and the vast majority of politicians do. They say NOTHING in 500 words assuming will either get bored, or distracted and move on.
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  • Posted by philosophercat 5 years, 3 months ago
    Obama is a pragmatist who has surrounded himself with a mix of altruists and socialists who want power to compel their vision. Obama is just mentally lost between pragmatic politics and his ideologues. The danger is he cant choose based on his values. He has to choose who to reward in his circle. He is a mystic of confusion.
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  • Posted by wiggys 5 years, 3 months ago
    0 is the consummate mystic!!!!!!! 0 functions within his own world of believing that everything he does IS correct and everything everyone else does is incorrect. all of the pawns that serve him actually know this but will not tell him he has no clothes because they like their pay checks and what ever power they currently have, which goes when he goes. I am also of the opinion that he has brain damage from all of the weed he has ingested since his youth and of course it is now legal so he has never stopped. mysticism is his creed.
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  • Posted by broskjold22 5 years, 3 months ago
    John McCain: Roosevelt said "speak softly and carry a big stick. Senator Obama likes to talk loudly."

    Obama said, we will crush Al Qaeda and kill Osama bin Laden.

    We killed him.
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    • Posted by broskjold22 5 years, 3 months ago
      Yes, it was after much pussy footing around. Yes, it may have been based on considerations for his presidency. But, his loud words... happened. Not to defend Mr. ACA/NAFTA President, but at least he knew he was bound by his loud words.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 5 years, 3 months ago
    I have been reading a philosopher who has stated our societal situation: "Everywhere the mediocre are combining in order to make themselves master! Everything that makes softt and effeminate, that serves the ends of the "people" or the "feminine", works in the favor of suffrage universal, ie, the dominion of "inferior men". But we should take reprisal and bring this whole affair to light and to the bar of judgment."
    Will to Power, F. Nietzsche
    The following is where I stand and it when becomes available I will be first in line: ".... the production of a synthetic, summarizing, justifying man for whose existence this tranformation of mankind into a machine is a precondition, as a base which he can invent his "higher form of being".(Transhuman).
    F. Nietzsche
    These people in the above statement/question are "mediocre" at best. Anyone in the Gulch is better than any who we walk amoung. We must integrate ourselves and have the spirit of the Lion. Our "Will" is our own We must be our own center and the "Lord within ourselves". We walk amoung the people alone, they fear and loath us but seek to touch the hem of our coats thinking that they will become an whole. They can't and will not. The mediocre are unable to do this. They are unable to go beyound the flesh.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 5 years, 3 months ago
    Funny, The mind and 'Consciousness' go together, you can't have one without the other. obama is only a brain, everything is external, no accountability and he depends upon an interconnected collective. He is clearly Bicameral by nature and even more mystical than the mystics. (Mark Hamilton's use of mysticism which goes beyond what can not be seen) (Bicameral as used by Julian Jaynes as merely a split brain unaware of itself)
    In short, he doesn't fit into either of the proposed categories because you can not have an 'I' (identity) without conscious awareness. That awareness of yourself creates conscience witch leads to a mind. (brain inside the head and the mind outside the head; the subconscious and awareness of such is your connection to your mind. I do not call him a parasitical humanoid for no reason. LOL
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 5 years, 3 months ago
    I would classify Obama as neither, rather as Valerie Jarrett's puppet He has no obvious values, other than advancing himself no matter to whom he must bow. JFK was a pragmatist, this guy is a Marxist, evil hater of mankind.I am not sure the man thinks, he blindly follows the teachings of Frank Marshall Davis and Saul Alinsky.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 5 years, 3 months ago
    President Obama is his own god. Even psychologists have admitted that he has a case of extreme narcissism. And as his own god, he expects us to worship him and cater to his every whim and desire.

    No thanks.
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