America's "Fatal Flaw"

Posted by Robbie53024 12 years, 8 months ago to Government
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I've always thought that the "fatal flaw" of the US is that those who contribute nothing to society have an equal voice in how we are governed. This wasn't always the case, of course. During the very early days of the nation only land-owners could vote. And the states maintained their role as part of a republic via appointment of senators by the state legislature.
I've often thought that the next constitutional amendment needs to be to set up an "earned franchise," a la Heinlein's Stormship Troopers novel. 2 yrs service would seem reasonable.
One only values those things that they have earned.


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  • Posted by $ johnrobert2 12 years, 8 months ago
    That should be two years satisfactory service, which can be extended as needed. The restriction also applied to holding public office, certain public careers such as law enforcement or emergency response. The parameters for criminal punishment were also radically changed from what we have today. And how many are aware of the distinction LtCol DuBois makes in juvenile criminals and adult delinquents? (See, I have read the book. More than once.)
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  • Posted by 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What does it matter now? Both he and Ginny are gone, and no children. Plus, they made plenty from the books.
    Personally, I'd like to see some more Heinlein movies made. Rather partial to Stranger, but think the various space operas would be fun, and how about "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"? Wouldn't that be a good complement to an AS marathon?
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  • Posted by John_Emerson 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Perhaps it was unintentional, but he placed it in the public domain by publishing before applying for a patent.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually he didn't actively place it in the public domain. And the idea for the waterbed occurred to him when he was in the hospital, not when he was writing that tripe.
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  • Posted by John_Emerson 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The "worst" of Heinlein is still probably better than the best of a lot of other science-fiction writers. And the science in "Stranger" was so bad that there's no patent on the water bed because Heinlein invented it and placed it in the public domain when "Stranger" was published.
    The opening sentence of the book hooked me immediately: "Once upon a time there was a Martian - named Valentine Michael Smith."
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  • Posted by 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, to be truthful, I read everything he ever wrote. Loved them all. My first was The Star Beast, pure entertaining fluff. Asimov as well, including his autobiographies - some of the only that I've ever read but they were so compelling.
    Now I'm more into Vince Flynn (God rest his soul), Daniel Silva, Tom Clancy (RIP), etc.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, the movie had to absolutely match the book... particularly the ideas in the book.
    His scientist friend who's killed on Pluto is turned into a sadistic Nazi doctor?
    Rue McClannehan as his blind OCS instructor?
    Sexually integrated military?
    Sgt Zim transformed from a professional soldier into a sadist?

    Sorry, they didn't even get the *feel* of the book right, let alone any of the ideas.
    And the ideas in Starship Troopers were society-changing if they could have been gotten into the muddled modern minds of the past two generations.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    O.O

    Starshit Troupers was one of the worst travesties ever made. The ONLY movie I ever walked out on (during the scene where the blond-haired blue-eyed Filipino protagonist was having a communal shower with a dead, apparently transgendered fellow Filipino.)

    The movie was directed by Paul Verhoven, Eurotrash who absolutely HATED the military. There were science fiction authors years later who were still disturbed by Mrs Heinlein's betrayal of her husband's defining work. Some of whom won't even consider a movie being made of their work because of that horror. If you ever see a man on the street suddenly haul off and hit some male-looking thing hard enough to separate the head from the body and send it flying through the nearest car windshield... you'll know I met the bastard Verhoven.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Tunnel in the Sky
    Citizen of the Galaxy
    The Rolling Stones
    Farmer in the Sky
    Starship Troupers
    Have Spacesuit, Will Travel
    Expanded Universe

    There's your Heinlein list
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Do NOT get Stranger in a Strange Land unless you're horny and have a dose of LSD handy.

    It was one of his *worst* works, representing the time when he decided to give voice to some dark twisted part of his imagination he'd quite properly kept chained in a basement previously.

    And it probably represents some of his worst "science" as well.
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  • Posted by 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If you really want to blow your mind on religion then pick up Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land.
    And for raw libertarian ideas, try The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
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  • Posted by 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As I think Heinlein himself said: It's one where you connect the gonads in series with the cerebellum and just enjoy (or maybe that was Asimov, don't remember anymore).
    Methinks you want it to replicate the book perfectly. Hard to do with a movie (same goes for AS - lots left out, but still a good movie). Heck, AS the movie hasn't even stayed literal to the book - to the betterment in my opinion. Like the hobo turned into a company employee. Some other things, like the thoughts of all the train riders as it enters the tunnel, are losses that would have added to the film, but were challenging to include.
    Anyway, to each his own.
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  • Posted by 12 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Glad to hear it. So much lost in the movie - but a good flick, nonetheless (not to mention the shower scene ;} )
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