Many Americans Are Working for Nothing

Posted by Eyecu2 11 years, 3 months ago to Politics
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Saw this and hated what this Congressman is implying.


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  • Posted by Snoogoo 11 years, 3 months ago
    I'm offended that he says he worked for "Nothing" UPS has to pay part of his taxes, unemployment insurance, facilities, hourly wage of course, plus I'm sure their work comp insurance rates are sky high. There are plenty of socialist countries in this world where $8.25 an hour would make you insanely wealthy.. while you sit on your dirt floor and die from Malaria.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Stretching for bad jokes is the only exercise I get outside of work...both.
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  • Posted by $ Telecoman 11 years, 3 months ago
    It is because of his Lib Party and the RINO's that he ran into the situation many Americans have to live with now. If we got back to a real free market and Gov out of our lives I bet he would be singing a different tune.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 11 years, 3 months ago
    I posted the following response on the original site and although no doubt everyone here will agree with it, I'm reproducing it for the fun of it:

    This is a very emotional article that will serve its intended purposes - to help Ron Leach get elected and to press the emotional buttons of low education voters. I do, however, believe that he is being honest in his feelings, although not well educated in economics, as a result, no doubt, of his college indoctrination by the Ministry of Education into that profession. I don't want to get into a long dicourse of why specifically he is wrong, as I am sure that low education voters are not capable of reading or comprehending anything that is more than a paragraph or two; I will only point to one glaring inconcistency in the article itself - 20 years ago, when America was much closer to capitalism, the same company paid much higher wages (in real money), had much better benefits and there was mobility in the workforce, not to mention that work was available and desired, as compared to the new socialist America. So, my fellow low information voters, continue to seek more socialism, more benefits, raise the minimum wage - and you too will become just like Greece or most of Africa. March on!
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  • Posted by Pearlsgarnet 11 years, 3 months ago
    The time for blame is past. Today is the time for action. If your action is to sit on your couch and complain about not having 'enough', that is up to you. I personally make less than $9 an hour. In the family budget I pay for daycare and groceries. I do not blame my employer for paying poorly, I knew this going into it. For my own reasons I work such a low wage job, challenging myself to get by with as minimal an income as is possible. I work hard at keeping monthly bills to a minimum, coupon like a fiend and am a bit of an electric dictator at home. People need to really focus hard on living within their means, whatever those may be. I have never bought a new car, my newest yet is a 2003. No wage is a livable wage without a frugal mindset, at some point, everything is finite.
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  • Posted by XenokRoy 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    LOL,

    That is exactly the point. Tug at the heart strings and get people to demand an increase in minimum wage so that our food can jump up another 30% or so along with nearly everything else so that once again they can demand another increase in minimum wage.

    Its all needed so that the inflation caused by it devalues the debt relative to the taxable income to where we can borrow even more.
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  • Posted by XenokRoy 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I can live on what he is making, especially if its just you that your taking care of. I agree a living wage is another non-absolute term and all such terms need to be gone.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 11 years, 3 months ago
    And what is the solution to all the griping? A vibrant, growing economy. Supply and Demand is still the rule of economics and explains everything he is griping about. There is an abundance of supply right now which drives demand (and the accompanying prices) DOWN. This isn't rocket science, people, it's Economics 101.

    The problems with jobs and immobility in jobs is caused by the stupid tax-and-spend policies of the government for the past 20 years. You can't have a lasting, strong economy built on debt and paying more than you earn, but for some reason a majority of politicians believe in an alternate reality.

    Want to get the economy going? Reduce government - in ALL aspects. Lower tax rates on both individuals and companies. Implement flat taxes to close all the loopholes. Repeal the Obamacare healthcare mandate. Then watch business take off. It's really not that hard of a concept - except to a politician.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 3 months ago
    "Given these wages, I would not have a near new car if it were not for my wife's income and my military pension"

    No shit, Sherlock? Please explain who said this job a nutless monkey could do is supposed to pay for new cars? In spite of his heart-rending depiction of the job, it's not your average off-loader who is responsible for not screwing up the cargo plane, but his supervisor... who I bet makes more than $8.50/hour.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Like the burden to have enough to 'live' on is on the employer and not the employee. No one mentions that the phrase 'living wage' is open to interpretation. My idea of "enough" money is not the same as the next person. That phrase needs to get killed. As does "fair", "equal", "affordable" yada yada yada... it means whatever the listener WANTS it to mean.
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  • Posted by $ WillH 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Honestly I don’t think expects either. He expects to get handed a job, with a livable wage, without having to first earn the job. He wants that “livable wage” provided for him… somehow. He does not care how it happens, so long as it happens to him without him having to do anything to get it.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You two are a pain in the ass...BOTH. (Both...that's a weird word. Did I just say that out loud?)
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It just occurred to me after reading your comment...

    Does this guy expect UPS to either pay him for an 8 hour day or give him 2.5 hours of make work to do? He apparently expects to be able to raise a family working 27.5 hours a week...
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  • Posted by $ WillH 11 years, 3 months ago
    This is absolute stupidity. This whole “I am entitled to” thing is getting really old.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 3 months ago
    Yeah, this is another one of the military hee-rohs some people here want me to bend knee and worship.

    The day I have to bend knee to someone because they *chose* to put on the uniform is the day I go to war on my own behalf. And not with foreigners.

    "(without relying on my military pension and my wife's active duty military salary)."
    There was a time when no American male would utter that comment without feeling immense shame. That'd be back when we were vigorous and growing.

    This reads like pure campaign propaganda... think John effing Kerry (He was in Vietnam, did you hear?)

    "an average Kentuckian and American simply trying to build a life and future for him/herself and their family."

    The years he spent building his credentials is why he *doesn't* work an entry level job at UPS.

    "Like a growing number of Kentuckians and Americans I worked less than full time though I sought full time employment for this period. I averaged about five and a half hours nightly. America is increasingly becoming an economy of part-time and/or "independent contractors" without benefits, without job security, and for most -far from earning a living wage."

    Ding ding ding ding... "living wage"... gives it all away. He's a leftist propagandist.

    Does this guy know what an "independent contractor" is? To be "contract labor" is not the same thing; and each has its requirements to fit the respective definitions, and as such there's little incentive nowadays to hire "contract labor" except in special circumstances.

    He worked 5 1/2 hours nightly... where was his 2nd part-time job until he got the full time position he applied for? (remember, this is a possibility I face, and many of my co-workers at Wal-mart work a full shift and then go to their part-time job).

    "Starting wage at UPS (and for a year without increase unless the Teamsters can secure a new contract) is $8.50 per hour - only $1.25 or 17% over Minimum wage and NO benefits for one year. As a seasonal employee I did receive time and a half for time beyond 5 hours nightly - thank you Teamsters local 89."

    Another alarm bell... smooching the evil, corrupt crooks known as the Teamsters. So, in fact, he wasn't making $8.50 an hour, he was making $12.75 an hour. How many nights a week did he work? Let's say 5. 5 x 5.5 = 27.5 hours.
    At that rate he was pulling in $350 a week before taxes, or about the same amount I do working 40 hours.

    Let's say the Teamsters weren't their usual corrupt selves, and he only got time and a half for the half hour a day he was over... He'd get $244.44 a week... again, for working 27.5 hours.
    Leaving 12.5 hours to work before reaching 40, or just over two days.
    Each day he has 2.5 hours he could work another part time job and still slide in under 8 hours a day.
    "I worked for UPS in the mid 80's while earning my undergraduate degree in Agriculture Science and major in education."

    "an average Kentuckian and American simply trying to build a life and future for him/herself and their family."

    Sightly different situations.

    "One with an Aeronautics degree who despite now years of experience out on the air ramp in and around aircraft, prior experience as an air crew member in the US Air National Guard (and deployments to Afghanistan) has been unable to gain employment that FULLY UTILIZES AND COMPENSATES HIM FOR HIS SPECIALTY SKILLS, TRAINING AND EXPERIENCE.." (caps mine)
    So, it's not that he can't get a job in his field... he can't get a job paying what he wants to be paid. Boo hoo.

    "Another fellow crew member has an Ecology and Environmental Science degree -yet years post graduation continues to work at UPS with no comparable wage and benefit opportunities found to utilize his degree and specialty training." Again, it's not that there's no work; it's that there's no work that pays him what he wants to be paid, doing what he wants to do. And if he's worked at UPS for years, and is still making entry level pay, working part time hours, and has neither advanced or found another job... he needs to take a hard look in the mirror. Hell, this is the age of the ecophreaks... start his own Green company.

    Me, I wouldn't hire him to draw bathwater.

    "Had I had to purchase essential clothing and boots I could easily have had to spend well over $200.00 - exceeding a single week take home pay just to be able to work. "

    My workboots were $26. The most expensive work boots at Walmart (and this is from someone who grew up in construction) that would do the job were under $60.
    As for clothing... I doubt UPS requires uniforms for cargo handlers, and if he has no old clothes in his closet... again, boo hoo.
    Who do you think paid for the boots he wears to UPS?

    I have to drive too far to work... about 10 miles. Who the hell commutes 38 miles to work 5.5 hours? I'm sure some folks do... but don't call them "average".

    Oh, I've had enough of this nonsense.
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