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Socialism, as understood by college kids

Posted by Esteban 11 years, 3 months ago to Culture
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The other night I observed a discussion on the virtues of Socialism in my college class--oddly in an art history course. Students all over the room spoke of Socialism as though it was no more than voluntary sharing of resources between productive people. When I began to ask those uncomfortable questions--who decides what "fair" is, why should a single man work 12 hours for $10 and a single mother work 2 hours for $100, and what happens if you want a digital camera but somebody else *needs* one to feel equal to you... the discussion broke down into chaos.

Young people in college seem to have no idea what actually happens when everyone is FORCED to share.


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  • Posted by XenokRoy 11 years, 3 months ago
    I had a interesting conversation with a 23 year old yesterday that said "Our country is going to hell and I blame my generation." I was surprised by this. I picked up a paperback of Atlas which I will be giving to him on monday. He is on verge of understand and ready to hear the message.

    There is hope with them, but we have to help those that want to see, to see it.
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  • Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was looking for more specific information to identify what opportunities for learning existed in the chaos. Socialism does not allow for chaos (more than one point of view), They resort to things like pointing at slavery to end the discussion. I had an experience where a guy from England and a guy from Saudi Arabia were saying oh America is the most racist country in the world. I turned to them and said oh yeah right we're all royal over there? Suddenly silence, it hadn't occurred to them.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Its the same lie taught to high school students today... and because no one in the class *has* the ammo to fight it with rational questions and discussion, it is promulgated as undeniable fact, to which the students must, as given them by an authority, subscribe.
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  • Posted by Snoogoo 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Somehow I just pictured the college kids itching their armpits and flinging poo at each other, to me that would be chaos.
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  • Posted by $ Genez 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sounds exactly like Reardens brother. claiming society had helped get rearden where he was and that all deserved benefit from his labor. Also sounds like our "beloved leader" and his "you didn't build that" rhetoric. I work for a mid size trucking company that was started by 1 man with a couple of friends/partners. We now have over 800 trucks on the road and employ about 1000 or so people. the company would not exist if it werent for the drive and determination of the founder and now, his sons... Unfortunately sounds like these socialist clowns would try to claim responsibility for his success.
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  • Posted by seanfatzinger 11 years, 3 months ago
    This brings to mind 2 points - first, parents are responsible for the shaping of their children no matter what sort of schooling you send them to; if parents weren't passively unaware, the evil looting strain would not be so pervasive. Second, due to the nature of my workforce , having to explain the new ACA to my employees step by step has created a lot of converts: here is our insurance plan " I can't afford that " well, here is the link to the exchange "I can't afford that either - it's worse" here is the fine you'll pay "what?! I get fined?! Who says you can fine me for not buying something I don't want?!" Real life would change the art class philosophy real quick
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Why did rlewellan get a point taken away for asking his question? Her question?
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  • Posted by m082844 11 years, 3 months ago
    I think they're surrounded by the idea that socialism is the idea most of their life, and had no reason to question it. And they are at an ideal stage of their life so they think it can be practical; they try to make it work. Since the schools system made sure they couldn't distinguish clear solid thinking from foggy thinking, I'm sure they thought they were succeeding until you inturupted the process by forcing the fog to take shape. Good work!
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  • Posted by Windblownranch 11 years, 3 months ago
    College students for the most part have not had to make their way in the world and their expressions of political systems are based more upon ideals rather than experience. Experience will change a great deal of their views over time. If chaos was the result of a challenged conversation, imagine the chaos in their lives when the world challenges them with survival. Imagine when they have to shoulder the burden do socialized medicine and a debt that is overwhelming? Views do and will change based upon circumstances. The problem is that they don't yet fully understand their circumstance. Everybody has that moment when they realize Santa is not real! Some will accept it and others will refuse to accept it. We need to focus on those that can and will embrace reality and leave the chaff to argue amongst themselves.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Like every system with faulty premises the chaos happens when people disagree over the excepions.
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    Posted by airfredd22 11 years, 3 months ago
    Re: Esteban,

    There is a simple explanation as to why college students don't know the answer to what socialism is. They are simply not taught the truth by their high school teachers and certainly not by their college professors.

    Unfortunately, we have become a lazy society that believes history began yesterday. There is no greater truth then the quote by George Santayana, "Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it."

    Therein lies the root of the evil of socialism and indeed communism that has crept into our education system. I was born in East Germany in 1948 and as a boy experienced both socialism and communism first hand. I have never forgotten when the communist government of East Germany confiscated my parents business and charged my father for political conspiracy for refusing to grant permission for the government to do so. Perhaps that's why I admire Hank Readen's speech before the court so much. Truer words as his written by Ayn Rand do not exist.

    Any caring parent must, and I emphasize must, teach their children the truth about these twin scourges, socialism and communism, upon our nation. We are truly the shining light on the hill, that is as long as we don't allow the present administration to darken that light in their progressive zeal to eliminate the very freedoms that our founding fathers fought to grant unto their descendants.

    To paraphrase Charles E. Weller, “Now is the time for all men to come to the aid of their country,” may I add, before it's too late.

    Fred Speckmann
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 3 months ago
    There's a Communist/Socialist club at the university I attend, and the other day I decided to go sit in on one of their meetings just for kicks, and some of the stuff they said was incredibly idiotic. They tried to claim responsibility for building the roads and the college, and then said that they weren't benefiting from the college, which was unfair because they had supposedly built it. Now of course I thought that was an incredibly stupid thing to say. Apparently they think that they can just arbitrarily claim responsibility for building anything, and an eduction isn't considered a benefit.

    What a bunch of lunatics...
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  • Posted by rlewellen 11 years, 3 months ago
    What do you mean the discussion broke down into chaos?
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    Posted by EconomicFreedom 11 years, 3 months ago
    A gentle, old-fashioned "object lesson" might teach these students something about the realities of socialism.

    Let the teacher tell them that going forward, points well be deducted from those students who studied hard and earned A's on their exams, and redistributed to those students who earned B's, C's, and D's, in order to narrow the "grade gap" and achieve "grade equality." I'm not talking about grading on a curve (which leaves the "A" students alone), but an actual redistribution of grade points.

    Let's see what sort of incentive that provides to the "A" students to continue working for their own achievement, and what sort of incentive it provides to lesser achievers to try to improve their performance.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 3 months ago
    Because the idea of everyone having an equal existence makes them feeeeeeel so good. They don't care what the logistics would look like...they just want what they want because they want to feeeeeel good. (And superior too, I might add). Of course the discussion broke down into chaos after you shed light on their idiotic ideas...the only other way it could've gone is into a reasonable conversation and then they'd have to admit a few things they don't want to admit...and their bubble would burst in the process. Can't have that. Stick to the utopian script!
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