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Socialism, as understood by college kids

Posted by Esteban 10 years, 4 months ago to Culture
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The other night I observed a discussion on the virtues of Socialism in my college class--oddly in an art history course. Students all over the room spoke of Socialism as though it was no more than voluntary sharing of resources between productive people. When I began to ask those uncomfortable questions--who decides what "fair" is, why should a single man work 12 hours for $10 and a single mother work 2 hours for $100, and what happens if you want a digital camera but somebody else *needs* one to feel equal to you... the discussion broke down into chaos.

Young people in college seem to have no idea what actually happens when everyone is FORCED to share.


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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Some time ago, when my grandkids were still children, I glanced through their 11th grade history book. There was just one paragraph on Lincoln and a description of the Civil War so distorted that it made me want to tear up the book and stomp on the pages. You are so right in your response. No wonder home schooling is growing at a rapid rate. It's not only the violence, and drug use, but the teaching as well.
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  • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I too read that book in Jr. High.

    All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.
    George Orwell, "Animal Farm"
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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Suddenly we seem to have moved from the realm of ideas (WHY would someone choose to be an American?) to the circumstances of physical origin. I have no need to go there.

    Personally, having seen her in action, having seen her very sharp MIND in action, I choose Rand over the Teleprompter.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "She replied, "I chose to be an American. What have you done, besides being born here?""

    "I chose to let you in."

    In rebuttal to that statement, I point at Barack Hussein Obama.
    He was born here, allegedly. Like her, he was raised somewhere else.
    Exactly what about that qualified either of them to judge Americans?

    Or, since I'm feeling grouchy, let's put this in maph terms:

    "Chaz", nee Chastity, Bono enters a... make it a strip joint, or a football locker room, whatever; some masculine place, and begins lecturing those there on what it is to be a man. When challenged on her authority to judge manhood, she replies, "I chose to be a man, what have you done besides being born one?"
    To which the obvious reply is, "I've lived as one since birth." Or more succinctly, "I am... what you aspired to become".

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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Anyone who has studied the required curriculum for becoming teacher in American public schools has heard of John Dewey (1859-1952), who is revered among educationalists as a god, as "the father of American education". His ideas include, among other things, the suppression of independence and individualism, and the substitution of "interdependence" instead. John Dewey was a Fabian. Indeed, he was the president of the American Fabian Society. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/blogge...

    The Fabian plan was "evolution" into socialism, rather than Communist "revolution," and it has been successful in turning the US from a nation of "difficult" and independence-minded individuals into a country containing a large and rather uniform group who will do as they are told by their betters.

    Fabian ideas, put forth as "progressive" in America (who could oppose progress?), have succeeded in our colleges in most of the liberal arts and in journalism, but not so well in the sciences. A current exception is "climate science" which is currently showing its anti-scientific political foundation as it crumbles in the face of evidence. (Climate Science failure is well covered here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/ .)

    The progressives have for a long time chosen the subjects of debate. Want to talk about American virtues? You'll suddenly find the discussion has turned to where you must defend America's use of slavery. Want to study the thoughts of America's Founding Fathers? You'll be pressed into having to talk about Sally Hemmings. Want to hold America together? The agenda becomes how best to take it apart.

    Ayn Rand was once asked how she, an immigrant, could lecture Americans on what it meant to be an American. She replied, "I chose to be an American. What have you done, besides being born here?"
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 4 months ago
    You could read them that passage where the tech gives Dagny the account of the shew of a woman who sanctimoniously doled out alms at the motor plan to the most political and sycophantic people.
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  • Posted by mminnick 10 years, 4 months ago
    There is a really entertaining book by George Orwell explaining socialism, how it works and how it ends. I'm not talking about 1984, I'm talking about Animal Farm. The takeover of the farm (read society), the establishment of the rules painted on the barn wall, the establishment of the leaders, the slow (or not so slow) changing of the rules and the final merging of the leaders with the very people they overthought.
    When I first read this book I thought cute but how silly. This was when I was a Juniior in high school. Even then something about it bothered me. I read and reread the book many times. about the 5th time it started to dawn on nme that it was describing a system of government, a philosophy that was at the heart of communism and a truly anti-freedom, anti-individual view of the world.
    About this time I read The Fountain head and Atlas Shrugged. What a life saving pair of books.
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  • Posted by brucejc04 10 years, 4 months ago
    That is to be expected when socialism is taught by union teachers.
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  • Posted by $ minniepuck 10 years, 4 months ago
    An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

    The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment on socialism". All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an “A”.

    After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a “B”. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.

    As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little. The second test average was a “D”! No one was happy.

    When the 3rd test rolled around, the new average was an “F”.

    As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

    To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

    Human nature will always cause socialism's style of government to fail because the world has producers and non-producers (makers and takers).

    --

    Your post reminded me of the above story. It's been around the internet for years where there are variations of it. Whether it actually happened anywhere or not, who knows. It's still a good illustration. I would love to have it implemented in a real classroom and see the students' reactions. Teachers are always looking for memorable ways to teach a lesson, no?
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    there was this young wife who owned a cool dress shop in town when I was in jr high. it was so amazing we had a nice store like that with interesting merchandise. there were a few dress shops in washington and so my mom would take us there to shop for "Parisian originals." once that store opened up-we all were in awe of her presence and magical abilities to bring to our farm town interesting stuff women like. Lani Lewellen is her name. that's a movie star name
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    sorry. every time I see your name I picture Ian Holm in a Monmouth cap and think "Fluellen".
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