Apparently, not very special in the brainwashed US.

And if there had been one other person present carrying a gun the nut case would likely be dead and some of his innocent victims would be alive. If the nut case had thought there would be anyone carrying a gun he would never have gone there.

From an email forwarded to me. It expresses my thoughts about Bloomberg's moms and Brady's group and others committed to anti second amendment laws.

"You actually think criminals will obey gun control laws? You're a special kind of stupid aren't you."

A nut case killed nine people!

Gun control enables bureaucrats to do what they do best: use a case of the misuse of a freedom in order limit freedoms to individuals. Don't believe that there is any other motive. It should be clear that guns help in numerous cases including: military snipers protecting fellow service men and women, police retaliating against bank robbers or looters, a property owner fighting off violent intruders. That is, in the case of retaliation to potentially deadly physical force. Why should we trust only police to own these weapons? As Francisco remarks to Hank Rearden, "soon we'll have watchers watching the watchers". In Atlas Shrugged Part III, Dagny Taggart shoots a man who "can't make decisions about [his] life". It is astonishing that even the virulent cult of self sacrifice would have the gall to respond to that act of hatred by essentially telling any survivors who lost loved ones that they will be so much safer without the right to own a gun.

I have always been confused by the gun control folks. It simply doesn't make sense to disarm law abiding people. Is it logical to think that a mentally ill person or a criminal will take the law into consideration?

When people begin to speak of gun control as an answer to violence, I'm dumbfounded. The answer to violence is internal controls - morals, ethics and a respect for life.

My first thought, after Sandy Hook, was too bad no one was armed. Lanza either wouldn't have attempted the shootings (dependent upon his level of mental illness) or he may have been stopped much sooner.

I guess having been raised when guns were no big deal - toy guns, BB guns, real guns - I have a much different perspective. I find it really odd that we played with toy guns and BB guns all the time - while playing the politically incorrect game of cowboys and Indians or Good guys against Bad guys - and didn't have all these mass shootings that seem to be happening more and more.

And another point of confusion - kids aren't permitted to play with guns anymore...so why are they allowed to play first person shooter RPGs?

I am in absolutely zero grey area on this - "The right of the people to Keep and Bear Arms shall not be infringed". It doesn't say "should not", doesn't say "might not", it says "Shall Not".

He could have just as easily ran them down with his car as they were walking out of the church afterward. The fact that he wanted to murder a bunch of people (white, black, purple, or otherwise) -in a church- just indicates that he wanted to make one hell of a statement. The shock factor was intended to be the church as the site of it, as much as the targets in my opinion.

It doesn't really matter to me, Obama was lying through his teeth (well, he lies every time his lips are moving anyway, so why any different?) that "this doesn't happen in other industrialized countries where gun ownership is not permitted". Really? Because guns are completely forbidden in Mexico... but the murder rate in Mexico with a firearm has consistently been higher than the US in all but one year since 2000. In fact, it averages about 35% higher than the US... so much for 'banning guns will stop crime'.

Oakland, CA also has a lot of those 'gun free zones' - yet Phoenix, where people can open-carry in almost any venue, versus Oakland, CA where gun control has run amok, has about 1/5 the violent crime in every category per hundred thousand people.

I grew up in northern Minnesota where firearm ownership is ubiquitous - although, I'm in California and I still have over 100 firearms, so I guess I just kept that habit. But regularly on vacation I stop into the American Legion Club, the Eagles or whatever in my hometown and giving away firearms for the evening raffle is a pretty standard thing...yet violent crime is almost unheard of. Why? Would you break into a house and try to rob someone if there is about a 90% chance that the homeowner has a firearm within easy reach? Or would rather just make it easy and go after people in the Bay Area of California with about a 5% chance of defending themselves?

My thoughts are the constant talk of race issues by Obama and company is at fault. He has done more to split this country and allow lawlessness than anyone in US history. Those people, in my opinion died because of his actions/inactions.

It's all about proving that man can not rule himself and the only way they can do that is by not allowing you to and creating circumstances to show that you can not be trusted. Hegelian Dielectic.

An armed society is a more genteel, polite society.
And its an unhealthy society for criminals, too.
That's one reason that the criminals in the Dark Center and in many state capitals are trying to eliminate the danger to their con games from the people they claim to serve.

The invisible hand will find us a service that allows them.

Absolutely correct, although some will never understand a person's right to self defense!

I'm all for it.
How about a way to make the control freaks who run Big Brother eliminate those laws?
The cream never rises to the top when it comes to voting.

Yup. Now they are targets.

Truth is, the only purpose of government is control. Government is not necessary for something to get done. People do that on their own. Therefore the only purpose of government it to stop an action that would get done without them. There is a very limited number of things that should be stopped by force via government. If we want limited control we need limited government.

Careful, don't tell a progressive the idea of armed security in gun free zones. They will be all over it, to take more of our hard earned money. How about the federal government eliminating all gun laws and let people & businesses decide what is best for them. :)

I consider myself a sheepdog that's why I counsel carry. The sheep don't like that I counsel carry and looked at me as if I'm a bad person until the wolf shows up then I'm their best friend. Now if the sheep keep making gun free zones the wolf will keep coming until the flock is gone. Laws of nature

This is so disappointing to me. I was actually looking forward to using them while traveling in the very near future.

I agree. I think that should be a law: "gun-free zones" need to have local armed security guards. But even then, even police are not required to put their life in immediate danger to protect another. Ultimately, I alone am responsible to protect myself.

Agree that this is likely. But even if it doesn't work out every time a good guy is armed (suppose he can't get to his gun in time, or suppose he misses), at least people who arm themselves might have a chance to defend themselves. Anybody can make up hypothetical scenarios to support any point. But in the principle of the matter, we have a right to self-defense which is meaningless if we are not allowed efficient tools for this end.

Of course we agree. I was just correcting the original poster (see the title of the post).

since I believe these random shootings are orchestrated, those who do the orchestrating will make sure that no guns will be there as protection. note that that is the case all of the time one takes place. so the government is ultimately responsible as far as I am concerned.

very fine article;;; Thanks, ffa!!! -- j
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The author of this article asks, "What if someone in that church had been armed? What if you had been there?".
Answer: Dylann Roof would not have shot more than once, much less reload.

I had to look that up, but I keep learning stuff in the Gulch so thanks--

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2682972/c...

I'm now thinking about the passenger ejection seat in that Goldfinger 007 car.