A letter from an Englishman at the Battle of Nancy in 1477

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Missive fro Ellar Pytte to hys elder brodyr William Pytte

Salutation:
To myn welbelouid brodyr, (beloved)
Be thys lettere sone delyueryd - (delivered)
To hys hand and to no other.
Tydynggis nowe I haue to sende hym, (Tidings)
Worde of werre and tale of batayle: (war, battle)
Tho I haue ben taken prysoner,
I am wele and in good fettle. (well)


About the Duc:
Nowe herken and yow shal here
Of brave Duc Charles that were
He streken many with fere
He was hatte Charles the Bold (called)
He had noble wyffes three, (wives)
And oone fayre doughter Mary, (one, fair, daughter)
He was lord of Burgoyne,
And he had grete golde.
He was verry wyght and hardy (courageous)
And had siche lytel pitee. (very little pity)
(God kepe hym, and the Trinyty.)
Acheve it how he wold,
He wold make hym-self a kyng,
Many londes conquoryng.
(The Emperour went fleeing.) (1)

Ellar’s hiring
Good Syr John Mydelton
Hired archeres oone by oone
Sayed we wold be departing sone
Herneised, habilled, and arrayed (outfitted, clothed)
For to go across the see (sea)
To sporte Duke Burgoyne. (support)
Four marks per yere and levery, (livery)
Siche wage wold we be payd.
(Brodyr, gold can buy us catyle, (cattle)
For owr londe, tho it is lytel.
Owr arerage we can settle.) (debts)
We sailed sone, and nott taryed (soon, tarried)
Syr John at Brissellys was be-sett, (2) (beset)
But de Croy’s capteyn there we mette (3)
And we traveled onward yette

Travel to Nancy
On the dai of All Synts fest
We gathered at de Croy’s behest
And rode owt, dughti full and prest (doughty, proud)
(Those set high are sonest fallyn.)
We wenden owt vp-on owr way
As fast as euer rider may (ever)
For thirty and more nyght and dai
Sich hardiness is sowdyowres callyn (soldier’s)
In Decembre cold and bare
At Nancy sege we compeir (arrived)
And sette ous vp-on arere (the rear)
The armee: harde and ful-itowen (undisciplined)
On the euen of Christenmas (eve)
Faur hundred sowles deperte alas (Four, souls)
Ded by wynteres frozen laas (lasso)

Battle of Nancy
Twelue dai anon, the calle to arme - (later)
Archeres, pitaile and gendarme. (footsoldiers)
Renees Swechys wold do us harm. (Duke Renee’s Swiss troops)
Charles hys men did embattail (order for battle)
He sette hys gonnes well before: (cannon)
On hys flanks hys knyghtes on hors,
Ech boweman had arows three scores (60 arrows per archer)
Redy for the werres trauail. (travail)
Here I erned my archeres wage
Bent my bowe to werke domage (damage (to the enemy))
But on thay cam with grete corage
Owr valour no availl
Owr flanc yt broke, the snow was reed, (it_
Armsmen lay in ranks of dede.
Ouer the Meurthe the craven flede.

Onwardys came Duc Renees ost. (host)
Methinks thay came towardys me the most!
I drew my knyef, thoe all was lost.
Owr sheldes and owr bowes thay schred (shred)
With theire scharpe speres of stell. (steel)
Thay borne full many doun to knell (bore many down to kneel)
My felawy archeres non wold hele (fellow, heal)
Them-sylfs lay doun and bled.
A Swechys sqwyer hard and wight, (Swiss)
Stepped hym forward in the fight,
With a swerde longe and bryght,
He foughte as if a hondered.
Hys foo he denge oone by oone, (foe, smites)
Thorw armer or ryche gambisoun,
He boldly cut them to the bon. (bone (I’ve fought Jethro!))

The sqwyer raised his grete swerde heygh,
The time had com for me to dye.
I looked the sqwyere in the eye,
Ellar:
“Hilarius, belouid saint,
If yowr desire it be,
Abate thys esqwyres furie
Turn his scharpe swerde from me!”
The Swechys man pausyd at my plaint
He loured the blade with dignity
Jethro:
“Hilarus is synt to me!
Howe dorste yow calle to hym a plee? (dare)
Nowe tell me what it is yow mynt.” (meant)
Then I sank me to the ground,
Thow I had receyuyd no wond, (wound)
And my story did expound.

Ellar:
“Worshypfull and sterne lord,
I will tell yow at yowr word,
And fro thys telling take counford. (comfort)
I am callid Ellar Pytte.
An archer from Inglond I came
After Synte Hillar my name, (“Ellar” = Hillar = Hilarus)
An ancient synte of noted fame.
That is the trewth of yt.” (it)
Jethro:
The sqwyre remarked, “At Nancy siege
We clashed and foght and wreked domage,
Each pleggyd to the opposing liege. (pledged)
The time has come to quite. (quit (NB ‘tyme’ in 1450))
Yowr Duke is slayn, yowre armee fled
The grond is strewen with bothe owr ded
Thys dai has seen j-nough blode-shed.” (enough)

still Jethro:
“We Swechys do ne prysonyr take (4)
But by bothe owr Syntes sake,
My brodyr I will nowe yow make,
And noone schall that gainsey.
Jethro de Calce I hight,
Esqwiryd to Syr Mons the knyght,
Come from Glarus, here to fight. (5)
Nowe bakke home I make my wey,
To Synte Hilaryes oun valey
My dere parents for to syghe see
And yow Ellar will come with me,
As a frend and brodyr may.
And yow will be ryght welcom ther
And feste on mete and drynk good bere
And waste the wynter in grete cheer.”

Ellar:
So my tale is told, good brodyr,
By the wryttyng of thys letter.
May God kepe yow and owr mother.
I am safely in the Lindthal,
But my herte has fond ne eas.
Thow I took no herte in batyle,
I am wondyd here by peas. (peace, not little green veggies)
For there is a jentil mayden,
Mery Hilda, Jethroes sustyr,
And my herte is nowe a captive:
The Swechys mayd has taken prysoner.

(1) The Holy Roman Emperor pretended to consent to crown Duke Charles as king of Burgundy at Trier (September 1473). The ceremony, however, did not take place owing to the Emperor's precipitate flight the night before the coronation was supposed to occur, due to his dislike of the Duke. (And you think politics are bad in Caid!)
(2) One of the Paston letters recounts that Sir John Mydelton was taking men to the support of the Duke of Burgundy, but that when he landed in Brussels, he was thrown in prison. (No, I don’t know why...)
(3) Count Philip de Croy brought the last reinforcements that arrived at Nancy before the battle. His troops came from ‘the Netherlands’, so I imagined that one of his captains dropped by Brussels and sweep up Mydelton’s orphaned troops.
(4) The Swiss troops were awesome during this period, and were famous for not taking prisoners.
(5) “Glarus” is a canton in Switzerland, the name of which is a corruption of St. “Hilarus”. Jethro hales from Lindthal in Glarus.

This poem is written in Late Middle English, around 1450 – 1500. The Paston Letters were my main source for contemporary vocabulary: the English language was changing rapidly at this point and older and younger versions of the same word appear in successive letters – or sometimes even in the same letter. (Late Middle English wanted to be Shakespearian English when it grew up...which feat it accomplished.) The rhyme scheme is taken from the Middle English poem Sir Degrevant (aaabcccbdddbeee).

The Pytte brothers were mentioned in the Paston letters – in the context of a tavern. I have taken the liberty of expanding on that brief mention. In this poem, the elder brother, William, inherits the farm; the younger (somewhat ne’re do well) Ellar goes off to war as an archer. This allows me to bring (via Mydelton and de Croy) an English-speaking fighter to the Battle of Nancy in 1477, there to fight Jethro and write an account


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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 11 months ago
    This reminds me of reading The Canterbury Tales by Chaucer.
    If you went back to 1477 in a time machine in England, you'd have trouble communicating in English. Bet that will be true here 500 years in the future.
    You never see that happen in time travel movies.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 11 months ago
      Thank you for taking the time to read it. One of the problems I had was the fact that Middle English dictionaries are oriented towards Chaucerian Middle English. So I would come up with a line in modern English, use the ME dictionaries to look up the words in Chaucerian ME, and then try to find those words (or versions thereof) in the Paston letters, which are Late ME. I would then use the Paston variation of the word in the poem.

      Interestingly enough, the words that 'worked' were almost all more similar to modern English than they were to Chaucerian ME. I had not realized that 1477 was so close to being Shakespeare's English.

      Jan
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      • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 11 months ago
        The late 1400's was a time with similarities today. For most of our history, a grandfather could teach his grandson his trade, passing on the things his grandfather told him. Language and technology changed slowly.

        In the late 1400's the printing presses were revolutionizing literature. Previously most book production was expensive copies of the classics, but with the printing press, people were writing new works to keep them busy. Literacy exploded.

        Technology was increasing and old social structures were changing. To a degree the defeat of the Duke at Nancy represented the victory of modern organized infantry over Knights in Armor.

        The English language changed so fast that parents and children spoke almost different languages.
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        • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 11 months ago
          and, now, William, "the machines" (in O'Reilly lingo)
          have our new generation re-oriented so that their
          language is sooooo different from our own. . this site
          is civilized in comparison with all of the OMGs and
          BFFs of a "texting lingo" site!!! -- j
          .
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    • Posted by Flootus5 8 years, 11 months ago
      Haha! Kind of like that new series "Outlander"? Course, they are still tough to hear, but because of all the whispering and mumbling so in vogue in productions these days.

      I remember a few years ago on a bus ride across Ohio, a guy got on board in Cincinnati and got off in Dayton. Sat next to me. He was this sharply dressed "Super Fly" type of black American - replete with fancy rings, striped suit, fancy shoes, cocked hat, etc. We talked a bunch for roughly an hour. Ultimately, neither of us had much of a clue what the other was saying, but had a great time, and parted with smiles. Made me appreciate June Cleaver being able to translate Jive!
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      • Posted by $ 8 years, 11 months ago
        It is fun to imagine what the conversation would have looked like to someone able to understand both sides.

        Thanks for taking the time to stop by and look at my poem. I appreciate it.

        Jan
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    • Posted by cjferraris 8 years, 11 months ago
      I have a hard time communicating with some members of my own family.. English, mixed with Spanglish and Ebonics is rapidly changing this country. I doubt 100 years in the future, you'd have problems if you're over 50 now.
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 11 months ago
        There is something I thought to mention but did not in my post upstairs.
        I've been told I would have difficulty communicating in English with rural English folk.
        Come to think of it (this just popping into my head), there is a made by the Brits Jason Statham gangster movie with a Liverpool dialect that is hard to follow.
        Being hard of hearing, I'm talking about the freaking subtitles!
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  • Posted by bassboat 8 years, 11 months ago
    And this is why I use captions when listening to the BBC or PBS. I can't understand English from the English, especially when they use an idiomatic expression or a location. I learned how to pronounce Chaucer's Canterbury Tales and I can tell you it was pretty but useless.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 8 years, 11 months ago
    It's my understanding that English is such a rich language because it was the language of commoners (of trash), while the government spoke French and the Church spoke Latin, both of which were ordered and formulated to death.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 11 months ago
      I think it is more likely to be due to the merchantile success of the British than because of class separation. One of the things that surprised me (researching a different poem, several years ago) was that it was pretty easy to move from commoner to noble in England, even as late as the 16th century. If you were an alderman of a major city and had a lot of money it was pretty automatically a bump-up into the nobility. So, unlike France and Spain, there was a lot of fluidity in classes. The Pastons (whose letters I mined for vocabulary) were country squires with good connections, writing in 1450-1500 and they wrote in English. So at least by that time, English was used by the upper classes (plus Latin and French, one would suppose).

      Thanks for your comments. I am pleased that you made a go at reading my poem.

      Jan
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  • Posted by Ducky 8 years, 11 months ago
    Wow--that is a beautiful poem, and a truly amazing feat. I had no idea, while I read through it, that you had written this--until I read your notes at the end. Bravo! And thank you for sharing it with us!
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 11 months ago
      You are welcome, Ducky. I appreciate you working your way through the Middle English verse. (I had not actually thought that anyone would be interested - a couple of folks had asked me to post it and I thought they would be the only people who read it.)

      I think you are all very valiant for not 'taking one look and running screaming'.

      Jan
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 11 months ago
    this is fascinating, Jan -- my family (both sides) came
    from england, and though dad was so stingy that
    he could squeeze eight pennies out of a nickel, we
    can't claim scottish or irish. . but we do love glenfiddich
    and glenlivet. . and fish / chips. . Thanks!!! -- j
    .
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    • Posted by Flootus5 8 years, 11 months ago
      You've heard the one about how the Grand Canyon was formed? A Scotsman lost a penny down a gopher hole.

      In all seriousness though, I find it tough too read versions of old English like this - If - you get hung up on trying to mentally repeat and translate every syllable. Ever seen those e-mail circulations where they give you a garbled and horribly misspelled English paragraph, but you can read it fine anyway in a speed reading sort of way? I find that works on a piece like this.
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      • Posted by $ 8 years, 11 months ago
        One of my favorite variants in the poem was j-nough. It makes sense, when you think about it: j = i and i would be a long ee sound. eee-nough. Yeah. But when you first look at the word "j-nough" it looks really strange.

        I remember a joke about a man taking one of the first velcro-closed wallets on a trip to Scotland. When he got some money out to pay for the purchase at a store, the proprietor said (you'll have to imagine the brogue), "That's a good wallet: It SCREAMS every time you open it."

        Jan
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      • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 11 months ago
        Yes! . or maybe it was a prairie-dog hole? . and speed-
        reading something like this is a special challenge!!! -- j
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        • Posted by Flootus5 8 years, 11 months ago
          Not that I am a speed reader, just taking it with a phonetic approach sentence by sentence rather than by syllable.
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          • Posted by $ 8 years, 11 months ago
            I tried to gloss the weird words. How reading it work out?

            Jan
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            • Posted by Flootus5 8 years, 11 months ago
              Worked out great. So, did he go after Jethro's sister? A captive of the Swiss indeed!

              And feast on meat and drink good beer.
              And waste the winter in great cheer!
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              • Posted by $ 8 years, 11 months ago
                Yes. Thank you for the nicely modernized quote and for the question.

                I had to persuade Jethro (a real person; fights with a longsword and has a Swiss persona) to have a little sister. (His persona originally was a single child.) He immediately said that her name was "Hilda", and then he tried to kill me with his sword.

                If I get the chance to write another poem for him, then my topic is going to be his taking Ellar's two marks (all that Ellar got paid upfront) back to England to William Pytte's farm. Ellar, originally something of a ne're do well, will settle down (with Hilda) to run the family farm in the Lindt valley for Jethro's (aging) folks, since Jethro's calling is obviously to cut people in two with his bright sword.

                At the Pytte family farm, Jethro would meet not only William and his lady wife, but also the wife's sister - whose name will be Alice Upton (Jethro's lady's name...or more correctly her persona's name). I think I can do something with this basic plot...

                Jan, plotting and planning
                (I think I would make Jethro fight tournaments and battles all the way across Europe, though, and not let it be just a pleasant stroll.)
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 11 months ago
      Oh dear. I thought I had deleted it! My glosses (which are supposed to be in parentheses in this format) are without parentheses from partway though the third verse onward. I have a question out to Eudaimonia as to how to fix this...

      I am a bit embarrassed. Please do not think it amiss if I delete it now.

      I have instantly decided that I admire both your dad and your turn of phrase: eight pennies out of a nickle. I have never heard that before - Did you make it up?

      Jan, waiting a few minutes before delete
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      • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 11 months ago
        OK;;; now that I have captured it in word, you are
        free to delete. . hahaha!

        dad was an unusual guy. . his parents were very
        modestly financed, being teachers, and he did the
        paper route and picking-up-bottles thing to help
        with the family bucks . . . during the depression.
        born in 1916, he was a teenager then. . he went
        to the university to study botany because he loved
        the mountains, the trees particularly. . then, as he
        was working at sears, ww2 came along. . he was
        promoted to lt col in the philippines, as a personnel
        officer. . he married a high-class southern belle
        whom he met during the war. . having inherited
        the tidy sum of 300 dollars, he intimated once that
        he was proud to have taken that nest egg and
        turned it into more than 500 thousand in net worth.
        he still wore sears workaday clothes and
        hushpuppies. . we lived in a fine part of town in
        a house which cost 13.5k in 1952;;; we had money
        but did not spend it. . he and mom paid cash for
        a 321 acre farm in 1962, and the home I have now
        was bought by liquidating half of that farm, and
        adding our money to it. . I'll be quiet now.
        I love the poem!!! -- john

        p.s. the nickle comment is mine.
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