A resonance frequency approach to stopping the motor of the world

Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 11 months ago to Going Galt
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In a prior thread, we considered the possibility of committing sabotage to stop the motor of the world. To stimulate the discussion, I took the role of "devil's advocate" and suggested that Galt might have engaged in sabotage. There was almost universal agreement that Galt would have lost his moral authority to lead the Gulch if he had committed sabotage, rather than only convincing titans to go Galt.

A recent thread entitled "Obama is John Galt" started by jimjamesjames was largely shot down as well, and for good reason.

http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/30...

However, that thread made me reconsider strategy for stopping the motor of the world.

The looters and moochers in real life have taken Cloward and Piven's strategy of overwhelming "the system" with more and more moochers. This is an act of sabotage. This is a moral line that we have decided not to cross. This puts us at a strategic disadvantage.

Add to that disadvantage the fact that Bill Gates and Warren Buffett are convincing others (like Larry Ellison of Cisco Systems) to give to charity. I urge you to look at how many billionaires have taken The Giving Pledge:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Giving_...

Someone here in the Gulch recently suggested that this giving pledge might actually be their way of going Galt. I forget which Gulcher suggested this (Zenphamy? sjatkins?) and apologize to that person.

We all know what Ayn Rand thinks about altruism. I have said previously that the charitable contributions of these billionaires may lengthen the time for the collapse of the looter/moocher era sufficiently that there may not be a time when producers like us would be able to go back into the world. Their charitable contributions delay the inevitable pain for the moochers.

Now switch gears and start thinking about physics and differential equations.

Think back to when you took physics and learned about constructive and destructive interference. If there is a disturbance that causes an object to oscillate at its resonance frequency (or an integer multiplier of it), then the object will break MUCH faster.

For an introductory treatment of resonance frequencies, go to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonance

For an example, see the Tacoma Narrows Bridge Collapse videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-zczJXS...

If we are to stop the motor of the world, an alternate solution would be to do something that reinforces the interference that the looters or those encouraging people to take the Giving Pledge are applying.

Does it make sense to convince MANY producers to go Galt, or will we be more effective by harnessing the momentum of The Giving Pledge to accomplish the goal of depriving the looter/moocher world of producers?

If one takes producers out of the system, how does this change the 2nd order differential equation(s) that would describe the producer-looter-moocher problem?

Please comment on
a) how one would implement such a strategy; and b) whether this would count as sabotage.


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  • Posted by ReneeDaphne 7 years, 1 month ago
    A nicely stated summation of the idea and interesting thoughts on "using" resonance.

    I don't really see how you could "use" this resonance concept against anyone so it would be very hard to call it "sabotage". When someone is actively engaged in combating that which is "hell bent" on destroying them, no one calls it "sabotage".

    Additionally, if you are focused on creating what you want instead of combating what you don't like, you naturally set up an harmonic dissonance in those who would enslave you.

    It eventually gets the best of them and they go down in a heap. That's not sabotage either. It's the universe exacting justice. :-)
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  • Posted by LaissezFaire 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think we agree on most of that. The whole larger discussion here is sort of on whether the giver makes things worse by giving to people who ask for a handout. My main point is, as a Christian, sometimes giving just seems like the right thing to do (but I'll admit personally, I don't give much to charities or to my church), and I gather from the previously referenced link that that is not inconsistent with Rand's philosophy. Her main issue was avoiding 'forced' (mandated by gubmnt) giving, which is not compassion, it is slavery.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And I would guess you can deduct the values of that equipment thus reducing that 'fascist tax' due. Sounds like a win-win to me.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I shouldn't use the word ''you'' but said Assuming one supports referring to any one. On the other hand it did elicit another well turned post the absence of which would have been missed and thank you for that. Add my apologies.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Of course, I don't support the fascist tax system. However, when given a Hobson's choice of paying taxes to the government or donating equipment to my university employer where I have personal knowledge of how such equipment will be used and an interest in helping thoroughly educate future producers, I will choose the latter. While I do not agree with bringing the act of personal charity under government control (which is indeed an evil), the choice of direction of such charity toward students who have demonstrated the willingness and ability to be producers is not an evil choice.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Assuming you support a fascist tax whose main objective is to control the money that you earned and agree with bringing the act of personal charity under government control.

    I'd say ''at the least'' still makes it evil and therefore only supported by people who support evil. I don't view it as least or lesser or greater. Evil is evil.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you for your clarification, ewv. As someone who has donated a lot of equipment for my students' use at my university with the expectation that it will ultimately benefit my research success (which it has to some extent), the line between charity and investment has become blurred for me. I see what I have done as promoting my own values on a level I can control. Others do not necessarily see it that way.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I just explained it. What else do you need? If you think of charity as a duty or a primary moral principle the way it is promoted today, then it is bound to be "sacrificial" -- by intent. If you recognize it as the pursuit of one kind of value among many and don't subordinate your important values to it then it isn't, just like your pursuit of any values. Eating meals, occasional recreation, having friends, etc., properly pursued, are not sacrifices either.

    For her own statements on charity see http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/charit...
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Please explain how charity can be non-sacrificial. I might be convinced on this subject, but am not convinced so far.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is the opposite of what he wrote, and so is what you wrote. Ayn Rand defined a sacrifice as surrendering a greater value to a lower one. She did not advocate sacrificial charity. She did endorse non-sacrificial charity and as a benevolent person practiced it herself. She rejected it as a duty and as a primary issue of ethics. Ethical _principles_ of this scope apply to everyone, they are not of the form "ok for others but wrong for me".
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The link says nothing about Ayn Rand condoning helping churches or giving money to make you "feel better". It's an attempt to describe Ayn Rand's view of charity in general, which she rejected as a primary issue of ethics or a duty, and endorsed it only selectively to worthy recipients and then only if you can afford to pursue it non-sacrificially as one of your values.

    Giving support to the wrong causes _is_ a danger to all of us, which was illustrated in Atlas Shrugged in many ways, including Hank Rearden's donation to his brother's progressive Friends of Global Progress.

    Ayn Rand did not endorse any giving for any subjectivist purpose as long as it "feels good". She only recognized the political _right_ to do so, even when you don't know any better -- or even if you do and have destructive motives. That is not morally condoning all acts of giving as long as they are not forced. She way not a subjectivist or a hedonist opposed only to forced altruism like the a-philosophical libertarians.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Rearden was not a striker and his actions were not on behalf of the strike. Galt, Francisco, and the others would not help Dagny or Rearden when it would have prolonged their own struggle. Ragnar told Rearden that reparations were being stored for him in the form of gold for the time when his actions were no longer helping the looters: "On the day when you will be ready to claim it—the day when I'll know that no penny of it will go back to support the 1ooters—I will turn your account over to you."

    Hank Rearden's giving money to his brother's progressive "social conscience" Friends of Global Progress was a consequence of Rearden's inability to see the nature of the evil in those he was supporting. His brother not only didn't want it known that Rearden was the source of the money, he had the effrontery to tell that to Rearden himself. Friends of Global Progress turned out later to be crusading for the Equalization of Opportunity Bill. This was an example of the immorality of charity to the wrong kind of recipients -- despite the fact that Rearden had the political right to do it. _Exercising_ the right to do something morally wrong is not condoned by Ayn Rand's ethics. She was not a libertarian subjectivist.
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  • Posted by LaissezFaire 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I remember Rearden's character differently. He would often write checks at the request of his wife or family, for certain charitable causes. In one part, the person requesting it, even had the nerve to not let it be known the donation was from Rearden.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Everything you said is correct, ewv. That still does not negate what DrZarkov99 said and I clarified. If one is to give charity, it should be on the giver's terms, yet it should it cost the giver. In that sense, the giver has sacrificed a small portion of his/her time and/or fortune. AR opposed sacrifice. She did not endorse charity, yet she was not opposed to letting others give charity on their own terms.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He wrote that charity should be "an act of personal sacrifice, not a tax dodge". Ayn Rand opposed sacrifice and had nothing against legally "dodging taxes".
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Where did Ayn Rand condone giving money to churches? She distinguished between what one has a right to do and what one should do rationally. She did not advocate doing what makes you "feel better" and was not "all for it". She way not a subjectivist or a hedonist opposed only to forced altruism like the a-philosophical libertarians..
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  • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I, personally, would not even call the recipient a moocher. To me, 'moocher' represents a lifestyle or philosophy choice. Hmmm - how do I clarify this thought?

    If someone has run three times in his life, I do not call him a 'runner'; if he runs every other day, then I call him a 'runner'. I use the term 'moocher' in the same way - it means (to me) 'someone who characteristically mooches'.

    Jan
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  • Posted by LaissezFaire 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I totally agree with you Jan. Although Ayn Rand was not religious, she was not opposed to individual members of a church's congregation giving to the church of their choice. Similarly, if someone was in need of a helping hand, and say I individually was willing and able to help by giving them some money, especially if it made me feel better, she would be all for it. Even if she would refer to that recipient as a moocher, it is of no danger to the rest of us if the giving was not forced. My take is that what she was opposed to was FORCED giving, such as at the "gunpoint" we call government.
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  • Posted by plusaf 8 years, 11 months ago
    Well, I know that most folks here hold Werner Erhard and the 'est Training' in about as much esteem as Krugman has for Rand, but one of the concepts he adopted from Bucky Fuller 'resonates' with this subject (pun intended...)

    Bucky called it Trim-Tabbing.

    In theory, as WE described it, the rudder of a Large Ship is fairly impossible to move with any practical mechanics or hydraulics, so in order to move the rudder and 'turn the ship' (metaphor/analogy warning!) you need to do something you CAN do that will move the rudder.

    And that's what a trim tab does. You'll see the same thing on the wings and tails of Large Aircraft.

    If you want the ship (water-type) to turn Right, you need to shove the rudder to the Right (starboard) side. But that's hard to do, so they add a small trim tab to the rudder.

    And the Trim Tab is moved to the PORT side of the ship. What happens? It acts like a hydrofoil that bends the water flow around the rudder in such a way as to create a low-pressure area on the starboard side of the Trim Tab.
    So, the trim tab, pulled to Port, Moves The Rudder to Starboard, and the ship is pushed towards a new Starboard direction.

    Same with many airplane rudders, elevators and ailerons. Take a close look at how they move on your next flight.


    SOOOOOOOOOOO, WTF am I trying to say?

    I forget.... no, now I remember... If we have the goal of moving the Ship Of State in some New Direction, pushing on the Big Rudder might be really difficult to affect!

    But some gentle nudges in the right places might just get people thinking about the Ship's Direction and if they start to believe that One Good Turn is a Good Idea, a bunch of them just Might get in motion in the direction we'd like 'em to go.

    Whatever.... I'm just an old engineer.... what could _I_ possibly know? :)))))))))))
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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Parts of this model already exist. There are a number of human network models that are used for tracking human activities, such as terrorism or anti-government sentiments. It seems to me that these could be the basis for an overall human behavior model, especially if it is at first "limited" to economic activity. As to the premises, that in itself could be an interesting graduate project.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    thank you. I wonder why that didn't come up on Amazon for me . I get 200 pages of spanish language books but came up gry on Rand.

    Thank much.
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