" I want to move to..." NO Country offers the opportunities and Liberty of America - none. " I think America is over..." Wrong. What I`m reading in most of the comments is "We can`t win, so we won`t fight" If that`s your conclusion I urge you to go. Australia, England - really? Try some South American country- but you may want to check their history first, most of them were military dictatorships in the past and let`s not forget that history tends to repeat itself. That will suck when you`ve sold everything and the cabana is ringed with federales and you can`t come back. Want my advice? No? too bad, here it is- grow a pair! Move the hell out of the cities where it WILL get bad quick, teach your children respect, honor and how to feed themselves, the respect and honor will compel them to feed the others that will show up and are willing to learn to contribute. Teach them compassion and marksmanship, the first will determine the need for the second. Demand your elected officials follow their oath - and hold them accountable, not on voting day, EVERY day. This Republic stands in the condition it is in today because WE allow it, Let`s just not allow it anymore, it won`t be quick, but it IS that simple. We are unique, we are an exceptional Nation because of our founding on the principles of Liberty and natural rights - we go and the planet follows. If you`re good with that, then by all means, move to Belize - you were`nt meant to be here anyway. I feel better now.

I tend to agree. This is when we will see the zombie hordes. My hope is that when the currency collapses it will take enough of the government and looters with it that the rest of us can re-establish a viable society. Unfortunately, my realistic side, familiar with human nature and the current mindset of the majority of the population, is not optimistic.

A friend and I joke with people we know about being prepared for the zombie apocolypse. (we're both fairly fit, into martial arts, etc). In private, we discuss exactly this. When people are scared, tired, and hungry, they will behave like the zombie hordes in all the movies. Amoral and coming to get you. If you want to survive, you had better be prepared to deal with them... and have some preparation done, food, water, first aid, tools, etc...

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassi...

I seem to remember reading of something like that happening in some novel from the 1950s... ;)

Our greatest danger today is the collapse of the currency I think. I think it was Lenin who said that to destroy a capitalist country, all you had to do was destroy their money. I dont know how to farm, and not really sure what I could do in an economy rendered primitive to survive. I live in a terribly dependent location(Las Vegas) Its a scary thought. I have been reading up on the doomsday preppers lately, and will set up a food supply that I can hide and protect. Some solar panels would give us a little power for essentials. I am not sure which will be worse- the marauding hordes or the government if things collapse. I suspect that if one replaces the zombies in walking dead with the hordes and the government, its pretty close to whats going to happen. JERICHO on Netflix is pretty good for opening eyes as to what will happen- and they are farmers basically.

Yes I do see the potential of America's demise and it makes me sad and angry. While I would love to Go Galt I must stay and fight for the country I believe is the best on the planet. It is on the slide but I believe it can be taken back to what it is supposed to be........I am not happy with my Gov't but I love the idea of America but cannot, YET, throw the baby out with the bath water!

America may very well be finished. But I'm going to go on playing the game out until the fat lady sings.

Even if a total collapse happens, someone will rediscover the lessons of Kipling's "Gods of the Copybook Headings". http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_co...

Read this for some sage observations:

http://www.newworldeconomics.com/archive...

I love the America but America was a set of beliefs that founded this Country, not a geographic location. Sadly, the U.S. is not America anymore and has not been for a long time. I would move to another Country if I knew of one that was more like America was meant to be but as another post here says, the assault on liberty and freedom is a worldwide disease. As hopeless a situation as the U.S. has become I am not aware of any place you could move that is significantly better to make it worth your while to move (unless you have a time machine!). If anyone knows of such a place I am sure we would all be very interested in letting the looters continue to destroy this Country without us.

FYI - I thought the quotes were very interesting so I thought I might read the book they came from. When I did some searching on the internet every place tells me that there is no documentation to support the idea that Tytler said these things.

Smith, your first 2 paragraphs state very important issues. My father told me 45 years ago that welfare is simply a ransom we pay to keep them from rioting in the streets. So do you know of a solution?

Bullseye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"..... but that should not deter from the attempt."

Fully agree.

By wealth you mean paper money or or you referring to physical assets such as plants and equipment? From what I read it seems the wealthy today own a lot of paper, but few real assets.

The sad thing about owning fixed assets is that they can be taken away by government. Example, even though we do not have a mortgage on our house, we have to buy it back from our county every year in the form of paying property tax.

Without an honest government nothing is safe.

I think that the looters government of America is running out of cliff, like the road runner cartoon where the coyote takes a while to realise that he is standing in mid-air.

The ideals that led to the united States will continue while the values get taught to future generations.
I have some hope because the consequences are making themselves obvious and some pro-capitalist individuals are adapting the leftist tactic of getting into universities to challenge/inform young minds.

I like the sayings: 'the night is darkest just before the dawn'.
'I will not go quietly into the gentle night'.

I think Lucky is right about the 'global disease' - all these international bodies(UN, IMF, etc even the bildeberg meetings) where the self-styled elites coordinate themselves are vectors of infection when they delude themselves into thinking that anything great can be built by Men(plural, species specific not gender) who are easily ruled.

Thanks, TomB666. I have never traveled outside the mainland of the USA, so I don't have these valuable first-hand experiences, like yours above. It's sad to hear that Oz is being overtaken by socialism...

I have perceived the decline in the quality of almost everything over the past several years......visible in the little things to which most pay no attention.......your term POETS reveals volumes about the decline.........one works rationally, then watches the rewards go to "the rule of others" which, in most, will lead to a much harsher epithet (first letter F)..............the crumbling of the underpinnings of our republic began decades ago................but the financial collapse (seeded in 1999-99) and election of 2008 accelerated the process. The Democrats, having gained control of the government (until 2014 congressionals), have proven the long standing military phrase "S*** rolls downhill!"

Australia (aka OZ) is about as socialist as England. We just visited there in February and found that we are too old to be allowed to immigrate - unless we have a million or so to 'invest' in something in the peoples republic of Australia. Too old being over 40. Part of the issue is their socialized medicine - old people cost the system too much so they don't want us.

We spoke to one couple who had done that and they reminded me of the fairy tale of the fox who got his tail cut off. It was so wonderful - until we stopped in Bali. They had to pay something like $800 to be allowed back in because of their permanent residency status. (Everyone else only had to pay a $25 visa fee to Bali.) He also told me they had to buy private health insurance which was very expensive because they were too old to be allowed in the OZ system.

If I understood him correctly, they 'donated' half a million to OZ and then had to buy a house, car, etc. An alternative would have been to invest a million in a business they would run.

I understand a lot of us are a various stages of looking for alternatives. If anyone has contrary information it would be helpful to post it and if anyone has information on other possible relocation countries I'd love to see it.

Sad to say, yes, America is finished.
I say this without the slightest hint of Schadenfreude, as I was once immensely proud of America.
America was once the "sweet land of liberty" that Russian immigrant Ayn Rand dreamed and wrote about.
Now, alas, it is a modern day version of Rome under Caligula and Nero, a degenerate empire to foreigners, and oppressive police state to its domestic population.
I never thought I would live to see the day when America came to this sad state.

Ouch! The good options for freedom lovers are dwindling, it seems...

I agree with bbuckeye, RonC, and Herb. I do not think the Republic is per se finished. There is still a chance to delay its decline or turn it around altogether.

Abaco has the right of it as far as history is concerned, so we have to take into consideration that we are fighting against an innate human tendency as well as against the immediate situation. Nonetheless, we have extended human life span and I see no reason that we cannot extend the lifespan of the USA.

What steps do we take? One, which we have been discussing on other threads, is to lead with media: Aglialoro, the hallings, and others on this site are doing this personally. We need to cheer them on and support their attempts to promote Heroism, individuality, and Capitalism.

The next big step is for individual states to stand forth against the socialist trend - Texas and Alaska come to mind (Arizona was heading that way but seems to have foundered; New Hampshire maybe is in the game). These big states need to politely decline government funds on the basis of their own profitable economies and, within their boundaries, strike out for as much personal freedom as they can.

I think that if these things happen (and we are presently watching the attempts) we will have the foundation to elect a series of presidents and congressmen who can perform simple math, only take discrete bribes, and who can keep their dorks in their pants for a whole 8 years at a time.

This is not as spectacular as a red-running-in-the-street revolution, but it is a better path. We still have a chance to take it.

Jan

Excellent planning. A major step should be made with due consideration and well ahead of catastrophe

Jan, panic now and beat the rush.

All of them have socialized medicine and I believe they all have restrictive gun laws. Just sayin'...

Jan

Good quote.

We are in decline because over the years since the 60's we have made the political decisions to be in decline. By tax policy, energy policy, foreign policy, regulatory environment we have created an environment of mediocrity. In a sea of worldwide competition we have one hand tied behind our back and concrete shoes.

It is the progressive , Robin Hood, approach to redistribution and regulation that has stifled growth. It is the anti fossil fuel movement that has curtailed energy independence. It is the political quagmire that fights war to a draw (at best) rather than a victory.

Somehow, it has become politically popular to embrace "getting by" rather than excellence. If you live in excellence, you either don't deserve it because others have less than you, or you really didn't achieve that yourself because the gov't provides the infrastructure for you. (this is untrue, because gov't doesn't show up until after the business has achieved...check out the history of Scranton PA.)

If a leader and a serious band of rebellious representatives restored economic and political freedom, USA could recover fairly quickly. If we continue to have American leaders that look to gauge the World's opinion of themselves, then American interests will continue to take a back seat to political correctness and courting favor abroad.

Having read Dinesh D'Souza's beliefs that Obama is not primarily a socialist but an anti-colonialist, I find it curious that Obama seeks to use the federal government to "colonize" the states and, by extension, their people.
"The Roots of Obama's Rage" is a fascinating look into the psycho-logic that drives Obama.