Anthem 2015

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Anthem 2015
75 years later, and the words written two generations ago come to life like a prophesy. To be sure, this was not a unique occurrence, nor have others been spared this over the decades, but some things are so striking, and the words are so completely from the script, that they deserve to be highlighted.
My wife and I own a small bakery. Baking bread is a very labor-intensive occupation and since we are both engineers, we designed a tool that reduces a part of the manual process, while tremendously improving safety (by eliminating any possibility of being burned by the hot oven). The tool is incredibly simple and so effective that we couldn’t even picture going back to the old method. We patented it and built them for sale to bakers. Obviously, we thought, that an excellent venue would be a culinary school – just like Apple, if the tool can be introduced to students, they will ask their future employers to buy it. So, we met with the chef in charge of the department at Sargent J. Reynolds Community College in Richmond. Introduced the tool, demonstrated its use and value and even offered him one free. He declined. The reason, he said, was that this is a new tool, not currently used in all other bakeries, therefore, when his students graduate, they may not have one available. And if everyone does not have it, he won’t teach with it or introduce it!


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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 3 months ago
    There is a name for that sort. Tenured. Take heart to the worlds of Frank Zappa. If you want to get laid go to college. If you want to become educated read a book.

    As it happens my step daughter is preparing to become exactly what you are talking about. But in this country it takes a three year after high school degree called Licenciado. Her Mom has the same problem you propose to stop in her own kitchen. Ergo Sum. How do I order one. Better yet three. One for the budding culinary artiste, one for the mom unit, and one for the local school.
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    • Posted by 7 years, 3 months ago
      The tool is for professional bread ovens. I am working on a home model - much shorter, with interchangeable heads for bread loaves and round pie pans. Here's a youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O8cKZUL...
      Another version that's I'm working on is for strapped (4 loaves) pan. Much more complicated. If this one would work for you, especially in schools, please let me know.

      I'll have to introduce my kids to Frank Zappa for them to get the appreciation of his wisdom!
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  • Posted by Esceptico 7 years, 3 months ago
    What did you expect from a government school? There is some truth to the adage "those who know do, those who don't teach." Try a private school that teaches the subject and see if you get the same result.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 7 years, 3 months ago
    Would you like to advertize your product in the Gulch Marketplace? That is at least a venue where you will not be blocked by the desire to stop technology.

    My experience in training for lab work is the flip side of the coin: the training was at least a generation _behind_ the technology in use at the bench in most hospitals. I suspect that when the students graduate from the 'if everyone does not have it we will not teach it' school, they will have to be retrained by their first commercial job - to learn the modern tools a production kitchen has.

    This is very like Anthem.

    Jan
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    • Posted by plusaf 7 years, 3 months ago
      jlc... Funny you should say that... I had a blood draw for my GP yesterday and the phlebotomist removed the needle, told me to hold the gauze pad for a few seconds before she taped it to my arm and said "you're done."

      I said, "in the old days, you would have told me to apply pressure and hold my arm straight up for a minute or so and leave the pad taped on for four hours... Now it's 'hold the pad until I tape it on and remove it in an hour?!' What would my GP say?!"

      She replied, "yep, he'd still say that, but we don't any more."

      Progress sometimes happens...
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    • Posted by 7 years, 3 months ago
      This is Anthem verbatim! The sad reality is that fewer and fewer graduates from any program are capable of productive work. Not surprising, with teachers like this one. I've mentioned this in another post some time ago - the teenagers that come to work for us in the summer start well, with bright eyes, eagerness to work and learn and are generally productive. The same kids, as years go by and they get more public education, more tv, or whatever it is that they're ingesting, become dumber and less capable. We have observed this of a statistically significant sample, so I am referring to this as a fact.
      And thank you for the suggestion - I'll try the Marketplace.
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 7 years, 3 months ago
    Isn't it impossible to reason with stupidity? And if all the bakeries had your tool, he would have another excuse to refuse. I bet he just loved saying no.
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    • Posted by 7 years, 3 months ago
      This is a State-run school; he does not need to perform or achieve anything. Just exist, and continue to consume oxygen.
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      • Posted by plusaf 7 years, 3 months ago
        He is not rewarded by his bureaucracy for innovation. You might ask his 'management' how and why they encourage that... They might give that some thought... or not...
        In many, if not most cases, people's behavior results from how they're rewarded.

        Good luck, and discourage competition by routinely lowering your selling prices. It scares off competition and helps you really determine how large your markets are!
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  • Posted by wiggys 7 years, 3 months ago
    SIR welcome to the american way.
    I thought that I had a problem with selling my idea to companies like north face as to how to use the insulation they were using in a better way. they and the rest of the manufacturers located in the usa at the time late 60's said no. their reason was because the synthetic bag that would be made would not look like the synthetic bags they were making; i.e. just like down bags. i said what if it works like a down bag, they insisted the general public would still not buy it. so i started making them myself and today i make more of my bags than all the rest put together that import them from china. the general public never said a word to me about the fact that my synthetic did not look like the rest of them in the market place. today a company or two tries to copy me. my unsolicited recommendation is that you contact as many mom and pop bakeries as you can and market it to them. just don't give up. good luck. that instructors attitude is why he will always be a teacher versus a successful business owner. that attitude is all over the country.
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    • Posted by 7 years, 3 months ago
      You are correct - those that can't make it on their own, become teachers. And those that can't teach well become department chairs and superintendents. And the real flotsam, the cream of the crop, run the Department of Un-Education. It's a shame that we allow the most incompetent to hold the most power.
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      • Posted by $ jdg 7 years, 3 months ago
        It's a law of nature (the Peter Principle) that any monopoly bureaucracy eventually will become, and stay, run by incompetent people. This is one of many reasons to privatize every possible thing that government does. And to prevent it from awarding monopolies to anybody.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 3 months ago
    When I went to college, there were times when I had to endure some course taught by a professor educated beyond his or hers capacity.
    Some of those pseudo-intellectuals were actually the heads of departments.
    My calculator says I graduated 42 years ago.
    You'd think there would be some improvement by now.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 7 years, 3 months ago
      Didn't Adam Smith complain about this problem too?
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 3 months ago
        I just looked Adam Smith up to learn this crud has gone on a lot longer than I imagined.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Smith

        I only took Philosophy 101, just a course in basic logic. I discovered Ayn Rand when the first AS movie was a DVD rental.
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        • Posted by 7 years, 3 months ago
          Like Machiavelli before her, Ayn Rand did not so much "discovered" the secrets of human behavior, as much as told them as they are, without the coloring, flavoring and the associated smelly crap that is now called "political correctness." Some people are awakened by the naked truth; some become militant when their own hypocrisies, lies and machinations are exposed. So, yes, this crud is as old as human-kind. Progress, in my regressive opinion, is trying to eliminate this crud; progress in the progressives' opinion is trying to hide it.
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    • Posted by Genez 7 years, 3 months ago
      I have never forgotten the MIS class I took as part of my business degree. I had a Commodore 64 in high school, was building PC's in college, etc.. But I had to take this class. The professor, early in the semester, had an open computer (old PC desktop box) and was pointing at components. He pointed to the crystal (which only has 2 wires in an out for those who don't know) and said that was the CPU. I knew for a fact that the CHIP with multiple pins in and out right next to it, was the CPU.. I didn't say anything and just kept my head down and did the busy work to get thru the class. Didn't learn a darn thing, except that at least part of my "education" was not worth the paper it was printed on. Now there were other classes that definitely were worth the time and effort, but that was definitely not one of them and showed me that you couldn't trust the teacher to be an expert..
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 3 months ago
        When old dino went to college a computer was something that filled a room.
        I'll never for get a pudgy science teacher who wore a sheathed slide-rule on his belt like a sword.
        He really loved to use that slide-rule to calculate a number before a class, always wearing a smug showoff smirk as he took time to do so.
        I thought of him when hand calculators were later first being sold. Bet he was heart-broken.
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        • Posted by $ jlc 7 years, 3 months ago
          Yeah, dino. But slide rules are neat too. Do you still remember how to use one?

          Jan, geeking in the morning
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          • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 3 months ago
            I never used one.
            I have nothing against slide rules.
            At least that teacher's weirdness with one was amusing.
            Slide rules may come back if we have some huge socioeconomic upheaval that turns the power off.
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            • Posted by $ jlc 7 years, 3 months ago
              Slide rules are great for multiplication and division, but not so good for addition and subtraction. However, I have also learned how to use the abacus, which is good at adding and subtracting (but bad for multiply or divide). So I am OK for going non-electric in a pinch. (But while I can use the tools, I am terrible at math and practical math...so I think I would just teach the skills to other folk.)

              Jan, bragging a bit (but then, how often does one get a chance to brag to an allosaurus about being able to use an abacus?)
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          • Posted by 7 years, 3 months ago
            Part of a pilot's basic training (ground school). Some professions have to have a back up, and sliderules do their job well. But, yes, that Flintstones professor must have felt a rug being pulled out from underneath him!
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            • Posted by $ jlc 7 years, 3 months ago
              My father had a small circular slide rule that he used in the cockpit - he kept it on his keychain. He said that it was much better than sliding something around laterally where there was little space and a lot of instruments.

              Jan
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      • Posted by Lysander 7 years, 3 months ago
        As a teacher, poli sci and govt, I am constantly amazed that no students ask, say, challenge any idea! Is it the teachers,or the students that are dumbing down education?
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        • Posted by 7 years, 3 months ago
          As I was reading the comment above (Genez), I had the same question. Since you posed it - my two cents: I am amazed at the ability of the public schools to instill such blind trust in the students of everything that is fed to them. I have often tried to open their eyes to the facts, or at least to bring them to a point where they may consider other alternatives, but the bond is so strong that I feel that I am fighting nature itself. As the old saying goes, "if it's on tv, it must be true," likewise, if the teacher said so, it must be true. Even in the face of historical facts - like Lincoln, for example, who is portrayed as one of the best presidents ever, the facts notwithstanding. Not sure if Osama has surpassed him on that ladder yet, but getting close.
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  • Posted by nln1219 7 years, 3 months ago
    As Sheldon Cooper says on Big Bang Theory
    "One cries because one is sad. For example, I cry because other people are stupid, that makes me sad."
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    • Posted by $ sekeres 7 years, 3 months ago
      “I am convinced all of humanity is born with more gifts than we know. Most are born geniuses and just get de-geniused rapidly.”

      Richard Buckminster Fuller (US engineer and architect, 1895-1983 )
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