Forced Vaccinations to be Decided This Week
I thought this would happen. I'm just surprised it is happening this fast. The proposal was timed with the Brian Wilson (liar) reports of measles at Disneyland. Perhaps that's why. Anyway, SB277 is being debated this week at the State Capitol. This bill forces all children to be vaccinated per an extensive schedule that's in the bill (apart from the CDC schedule but based on it) and that can be modified at any time. It's already pretty extensive. It does away with religious exemptions. Even home-schooled children are subject. Any child that isn't vaccinated per the list on the bill will be classified at truant. CPS and law enforcement will be called in to take the child and vaccinate them. At that point, when do the parents see their child again? Anybody's guess.
Years ago I asked on another Objectivist forum if the members were in favor of forced vaccination. At least half were, to my surprise. The moderator of that forum chimed in with the obvious. But, I am curious what other Objectivists still think of this concept. I am pretty sure it will be enacted pretty soon. Best of luck to you and the young ones in your families.
Years ago I asked on another Objectivist forum if the members were in favor of forced vaccination. At least half were, to my surprise. The moderator of that forum chimed in with the obvious. But, I am curious what other Objectivists still think of this concept. I am pretty sure it will be enacted pretty soon. Best of luck to you and the young ones in your families.
After that it goes to the Assembly, who will pass it. So, for the first time in our history we will have REAL forced medical treatment in America. (not "suggested" or "required") Once this gets passed here in California get ready. Because, it's rolling east from here...
http://themomstreetjournal.com/2015/04/1...
And, SB277 is being amended to give a child up to 15 vaccines during their kindergarten year as a "catch-up" schedule. 15 in one year. Uh, no thanks.
How many is too many? How young is too young? Answer: we don't know. That's my original point... I don't know. You don't know. Nobody knows. Because the studies haven't been done to come to a conclusion.
You would seem to have an incredible courage.
I am glad that you found your way and was guided with the philosophy of Ayn Rand. What a beacon in the darkness.
My example was hypothetical and in line with the discussion.
How am I to interpret your opening sentence, since you just stated, and I quote you, "Why would I put my child in a school with continuous arrivals of illegals?" Then do you have a problem with a school due to the fact it accepts illegals? So you would take your child out of a school that accepted illegals? Help me see my, as you state, "poor premise", so that I might understand your seeming contradictions.
Your statistics, while they are not current, do not pertain to the recent outbreaks. While the U.S. has almost eradicated certain of the childhood diseases in question, other countries (including those in your statistics) have not, especially among the poor (large part of population).
My issue with your previous comment, as I stated in my previous response, is that I do not agree that the mention of illegals by Gulch members is a "knee-jerk hostility towards illegals", as you state. Instead, I find most members comments on "illegals" pertinent to the issues at hand and confirmed by State and local communities around the U.S. (Even if the Federal Government tries to placate these statistics).
It is OK that we disagree.
the way the school operated my child would not be there. Poor premise.
Regardless based on actual facts the US immunization is no better:
From the link:
"Here’s how the countries compare to the United States over the four most recent years of data, according to the World Health Organization:
United States: 92 percent (2010); 92 (2011); 92 (2012); 91 (2013)
Mexico: 95 (2010); 98 (2011); 99 (2012); 89 (2013)
El Salvador: 92 (2010); 89 (2011); 93 (2012); 94 (2013)
Guatemala: 93 (2010); 89 (2011); 93 (2012); 85 (2013)
Honduras: 98 (2010); 95 (2011); 93 (2012); 89 (2013)
As you can see, in most years, the other countries had better vaccination rates than the United States, though there was a sudden decline in 2013 in every country but El Salvador. Still, these are fairly high vaccination rates, making it much less likely that illegal immigrants from these countries are a source of the outbreak. "
I would have liked to have heard your conversation... so he lost the debate.
With the hundreds of illegals infiltrating our borders from countries that do not have adequate possibilities for sufficient health care on any level much less in schools and you want to point a finger at some possibility of a "traveling rich kid"?
If your child was attending a school that had continuous arrivals during the year of "illegals" and there was an outbreak of something like measles or smallpox, you would concentrate on somebody's rich kid that travelled extensively? Really?
I don't see it as, and I quote you: "a knee-jerk" hostility toward 'illegals'... here in the Gulch", instead I consider the inclusion or mention of "illegals" as a primary and legitimate concern since they arrive from countries that do not have access to general vaccinations and these early age diseases are left to run their course in the general population. I would call this an obvious concern and intelligent assessment of the situation and not a "knee-jerk" reaction.
However, there are "exceptions" to any majority factor. On that I would agree.
That one truth is all that need be said! Yet being under GOVERNment, which IS Force and (by the definition of "govern") cannot be otherwise, mankind is condemned to eternal debate about just what IS the "proper role" of tyranny?
Does not the NAP Axiom apply to everything and everyone?
http://no-ruler.net/nap-axiom/
So who really wants or "needs" to be GOVERNed?
Is that not the basic underlying principle of our Gulch dream?
Very interesting points.
I had no idea of this "underbelly" of the government/vaccine manufacturers...
Makes me think. If you mandate vaccines and there is a negative reaction, cripple, deform, compromised in any manner from ever being "normal", even death, then the government should have to compensate, period.
BRAVO!
The last part of your comment is inspirational.
Thank you.
Things other than vaccines protect us from illness. At the same time, some illness is part of existence. People are very afraid. They want the government to protect them.
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