What the Gulch is... and what it isn't.
We have a few members leaving the Gulch today. Their reasons are theirs, but suffice it to say the Gulch is no longer meeting their needs. They arrived of their own freewill. They stayed of their own freewill. And now, they will leave of their own freewill. With 20,000+ members, the Gulch continues to grow daily and, as with any growing community, we will suffer growing pains from time to time.
We thank them for their significant contributions to the Gulch.
For those of you remaining in the Gulch, we want you to know that we are listening to you, you are a priority, and we will continue to take strides daily to make your Gulch experience the very best it can be.
Who we are... and who we're not:
1. We are advocates of Ayn Rand's ideas.
2. Our mission is to propagate those ideas.
3. Although Politics is a hot topic in the Gulch, we are not a political organization. The Gulch supports no particular political party.
What the Gulch is... and what it isn't:
1. The Gulch is a "net" which looks to catch the curious, the familiar, the like-minded, and even... the occasional enemy (of reason).
2. Once snared in the net, the goal is to start a conversation, to prod, to push, and to educate - all in the hopes of illuminating.
3. The Gulch is not an "Objectivists Only" forum.
As you'll see in the attached Venn diagram, there are different sections of the Gulch:
1. The Public Gulch forum ( http://www.GaltsGulchOnline.com ) - This is where all the intense debate happens. Everything from religion, to politics, to ethics and morality, are discussed and debated vigorously.
2. The Producer's Lounge ( http://www.GaltsGulchOnline.com/g/produc... ) - This is where we (advocates of Ayn Rand's ideas) go to seek refuge. This is a private section of the Gulch intended to be a place with little debate - a place for the like-minded to relax and enjoy each other's company.
Again, it is our sincere hope that your experience in the Gulch is an enjoyable one and we will continue to work every day to make the Gulch great. It's going to be intense. People are going to disagree... vehemently. People are going to argue... passionately. People are going to contradict themselves... with certainty. And, we're going to propagate Ayn Rand's ideas.
Oh... and Zombies. Look out for the Zombies.
Thank you for being part of Galt's Gulch Online,
Scott DeSapio
Associate Producer, Atlas Shrugged Part 3
CIO, Atlas Distribution Company
Chief Admin, Galt's Gulch Online
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"Speak on any scale open to you, large or small— to your friends, your associates, your professional organizations, or any legitimate public forum. You can never tell when your words will reach the right mind at the right time. You will see no immediate results—but it is of such activities that public opinion is made."
- Ayn Rand
Philosophy: Who needs it? "What can one do?"
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P.S. Those members that will be leaving the Gulch may join in the resulting conversation on this post. Please be patient and give them the latitude they deserve. Their concerns are valid and should be heard - regardless of how they choose to deliver their message. If they choose to return, they will always be welcome in the Gulch.
We thank them for their significant contributions to the Gulch.
For those of you remaining in the Gulch, we want you to know that we are listening to you, you are a priority, and we will continue to take strides daily to make your Gulch experience the very best it can be.
Who we are... and who we're not:
1. We are advocates of Ayn Rand's ideas.
2. Our mission is to propagate those ideas.
3. Although Politics is a hot topic in the Gulch, we are not a political organization. The Gulch supports no particular political party.
What the Gulch is... and what it isn't:
1. The Gulch is a "net" which looks to catch the curious, the familiar, the like-minded, and even... the occasional enemy (of reason).
2. Once snared in the net, the goal is to start a conversation, to prod, to push, and to educate - all in the hopes of illuminating.
3. The Gulch is not an "Objectivists Only" forum.
As you'll see in the attached Venn diagram, there are different sections of the Gulch:
1. The Public Gulch forum ( http://www.GaltsGulchOnline.com ) - This is where all the intense debate happens. Everything from religion, to politics, to ethics and morality, are discussed and debated vigorously.
2. The Producer's Lounge ( http://www.GaltsGulchOnline.com/g/produc... ) - This is where we (advocates of Ayn Rand's ideas) go to seek refuge. This is a private section of the Gulch intended to be a place with little debate - a place for the like-minded to relax and enjoy each other's company.
Again, it is our sincere hope that your experience in the Gulch is an enjoyable one and we will continue to work every day to make the Gulch great. It's going to be intense. People are going to disagree... vehemently. People are going to argue... passionately. People are going to contradict themselves... with certainty. And, we're going to propagate Ayn Rand's ideas.
Oh... and Zombies. Look out for the Zombies.
Thank you for being part of Galt's Gulch Online,
Scott DeSapio
Associate Producer, Atlas Shrugged Part 3
CIO, Atlas Distribution Company
Chief Admin, Galt's Gulch Online
- - - - -
"Speak on any scale open to you, large or small— to your friends, your associates, your professional organizations, or any legitimate public forum. You can never tell when your words will reach the right mind at the right time. You will see no immediate results—but it is of such activities that public opinion is made."
- Ayn Rand
Philosophy: Who needs it? "What can one do?"
- - - - -
P.S. Those members that will be leaving the Gulch may join in the resulting conversation on this post. Please be patient and give them the latitude they deserve. Their concerns are valid and should be heard - regardless of how they choose to deliver their message. If they choose to return, they will always be welcome in the Gulch.
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I don’t care what you share about my comments about CG, dogpiling, or LS’ open rudeness. Go for it.
Some trolls prefer the slow drip of poison to overt combat.
I've seen it on other sites before, and they are truly destructive, more destructive than the overt ones.
There is something wrong in this picture when producers who are paying to be here and helping to support the site fiscally, are being driven out either directly or indirectly by a non-producer only here through the largesse of others.
To the ones leaving, we will miss you
Please pop back in from time to time.
Who knows, the situation might resolve for you.
Perhaps the format of this particular Gulch needs radically modified from pretty much open forum to a strictly moderated question and answer.
Where each thread is ended when the Admins close off a thread. There are many successful forums and if the intent is to be myopically focused ONLY on how Ayn Rand's explanation of Objectivism is to be considered perhaps this would be the answer.
Following the interviews I have watched with Ayn Rand, she was not shy about discussing her point of view on any topics at all.
The admin are probably (I'm speculating) pretty bruised in this too. Usually, we do not involve admin until things are out of control. As cg is patiently making benign comments all over our posts, producers see this as almost a taunting. It is possible this may not be the case. However, to tie our hands, to tell us to "give this one to me" had everyone on edge weeks ago. A very important concept here is that when admin say anything, it is heard as 10 times. When producers wait and make comments to admin, they have to say things (not all ) 10 times. So by the time they reach the 6th time, when they would prefer to self-police, admin should not be surprised that emotions are already high.
Right now there is an option on the table. We'll see if those who decided to walk away, would find it acceptable. I think it offers a possible solution. stay tuned. gah!
Not shown are scary homicidal super aggressive women with long knives and long dresses. I can't quite get them out of my mind either.
(There's some game thing added to this link that does not pertain to what I want to show at the start.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L31q8zQy...
I certainly do not have all the facts... however, I too witnessed cg's disruptions and thought to myself, 'Man you're in the wrong forum'. I really did not think he would have survived the antagonism he created.
Based on the knowledge that I have and based on the results created by this issue whereby some of the primary members are poised to leave for viable reasons I believe it necessary to foster these fellow members.
At this point, it is my opinion that the Admin should intervene and ask cg to go.
He could be reviewed in the future and if he has made significant progress (documented) then he could be re-admitted on a trial basis. Until then, Gulch members would not be forced to endure his tirades.
The definition of CG
Very interesting.
Wonder if I'm up to that?
I'll consider it if I'm looking at Jeb Bush.
I'm thinking another strategy here is to encourage participants to first state that they will not respond to one who has lost their respect and then do it. Or just ignore such posts, i.e. never engage them.
That's open to like-minded agreement among participants and encouraging such non-response. Problem solved?.
I do that on a variety of discussion groups in many domains including professional ones. And I'm sure some people view me similarly and ignore me. That's the free market at work.
Would the noise level be intolerable to have this as a recommended solution?
There is much truth in what you state.
I know a decision must be made.
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