you no longer can hold your own values in America

Posted by MaxCasey 10 years, 5 months ago to News
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you are no longer able to chose to exercise your values in America. You now run the risk of being forced to become a hypocrite by the government. Whether you agree with gay marriage or not, this baker should not be forced to work for people he chooses not too.

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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    when you make the baker sell the cake to someone. duh. you're doing the circular thing here which you have said you don't care for
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    free association is a natural consequence of Locke's natural laws. look them up. Judge Napolitano's book discusses this.
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  • Posted by Wonky 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am not free from prejudiced judgements. I am wealthy by some measures, and many individuals less wealthy than myself judge me unfavorably for my wealth. Your argument suggests that the I should sue those that are less wealthy than myself because they are prejudiced against me. I think it would be utter folly to squander what I have by waging war (through the courts) to try to force them to relinquish their hate.
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  • Posted by Wonky 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You have discriminated aganst me and shown disgusting prejudice. By your standards, I should press charges.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    To protest in DC and outside the gates of Arlington National cemetery? Tons, To travel around the country at will? Tons more.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Who you associate with and who you sell to are entirely different things. Association means a friendship or comradery, not a business transaction.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm not arguing for democracy, I'm arguing for inalienable rights, which not even the majority can vote away. One of those inalienable rights is the right to be free from discrimination and prejudice.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The business owner was selling a product to the general public. As such, it was not a private matter. Business rarely is.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, but they certainly have a right to buy products from you if you decide to open a business to the general public.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So your gay brother refuses to lie down and accept persecution, and instead stands up and fights for his rights, and you refuse to speak to him for it? Yeah, you're a terrible brother...
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Tolerance" does not require one to accept or respect every point of view. Rather, it means one is free from bigoted and prejudiced judgements.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't see how it would lead to those things. Just because we acknowledge the necessity of regulation, that doesn't mean all regulation is justified.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not really. When a person opens a business, there are certain regulations they have to follow. The only regulation placed on customers is that they may not purchase illegal products (drugs, slaves, etc).
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Haha, you've figured out the transsexual loophole!

    Though it only works if one of the partners was born in a state that allows residents to change the sex listed on their birth certificate. And even then it's possible that courts in other states will refuse to acknowledge the change of gender as valid (there's actually a case in Texas right now concerning this exact issue).
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not having enough money to purchase the product does not qualify as discrimination, because lack of money is not an immutable characteristic with a basis in biology. Sexual orientation is.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I love history, Bobo. I also like to look at it in the proper perspective. Men don’t need a religion to pick a fight-- it just helps. The world was much harder to survive in those centuries. There's is a big difference in going to the store and finding out a delivery truck won’t be bringing your bread til morning compared to losing the harvest for the winter due to bad weather conditions. We are not as dependent on ‘dumb luck’ as our ancestors were. We also have more rational reasons to work together, which in my opinion, is how religions evolved: we needed a common belief to rally around to work together. It’s part of our natural instinct to want to survive. Everyone knows you stand a better chance surviving if you work with others. I’m not a christian. Hiraghm can call me a pagan all day long if he wants and it wouldn’t bother me. Pagan history is actually quite fascinating. If Hiraghm has to resort to distorting using personal attacks, haven’t you already won? I don’t think you need me to go after him, do you? But, if I decide to indulge in some christmas ‘spirits’ later on this weekend, I’ll be glad to go after him for you just for the hell of it.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No. Sorry, don’t buy it. BS spin. They were too well organized from the very beginning and they never went to protest at rallies or conventions, or funerals of those who held beliefs that they purportedly despise. I want to see their books and their private bank accounts for the last ten years. That’s the only way you will convince me otherwise.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    philosophically, the programs were part and parcel of the same package. Which is all about government should be actively interfering in peoples' lives to create social changes. When govt should ONLY be about protecting natural rights for us all.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Fascism is govtental control of private property. It is not It's not any one regulation, its the fact that nominally you have private property but in reality your title to that property does not allow you to control it. The only difference between it and socialism is who has taken control of the title to your private property. This includes your ability to associate freely. If I have a business and the govt only allows me to contract with them-not other private citizens-those regulations would be hugely onerous. Our government is moving closer and closer to that point. so I ask you-you see it as huge that the govt does not come in and claim my title-BUT totally regulates who and when I can do business? 6 to one, half dozen to the other
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The claim that the ranks of government in fascist Germany and Italy were full of homosexuals is actually a myth. Homosexuality was not tolerated in the slightest. As far as I'm aware, there was only one legitametaly homosexual officer in the ranks of the Nazi regime, and when Hitler found out, he had him sent to a concentration camp.

    There's a book called "The Pink Triangle" you might want to read.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I note your misspelling.
    Those "political" reasons would have a direct impact upon traditional marriage that the owner was concerned about if he agreed to make a cake supporting a very politically charged issue such as gay marriage. Note-gays do not accept union, partnership, contract, etc. Thus,they weren't going to "help" by providing a a cake within witch evil (in his mind) will occur.
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