Rest in Peace, Nelson Mandela

Posted by Non_mooching_artist 10 years, 5 months ago to News
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The world has lost a true humanitarian today, sadly. Thank you for showing what true dignity looks like, to an undignified world.


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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Here's Wikipedia's description of "Apartheid"; Merriam-Webster and About.com have limited descriptions dealing mostly with the condemnation and "illegalization" of it (how an international body make a national policy "illegal" is beyond me).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Afri...

    Now, reading that, I don't read about black people being raped, murdered, forced into paramilitary organizations, or the like.

    What I read could describe America in the 1940s and 50s. To a certain, admittedly small extent, it describes Oklahoma. We have tribal lands here in OK, divided by tribe, and true, while nobody is forced to live there (although they were, originally), there are benefits and obligations held by those who can genetically or genealogically claim membership of those tribes ("genetically" is a euphemism for "by race").

    I'm not apologizing for Apartheid; while I favor voluntary segregation (the same way John Galt favored it), I oppose forced segregation, as I oppose forced integration. But, I'm failing to see it as onerous as black slavery.

    Suppose the white South Africans pulled into their own enclaves and left the rest to determine their own fates, form their own nations? Would that have been bad? Evil? And it would be different from Galt's strike... how?

    I'm going to do Maph a favor, here. I'm going to cite a line from the Wikipedia article, because I remember something everyone else seems to have conveniently forgotten about America:

    "The Prohibition of Mixed Marriages Act of 1949 prohibited marriage between persons of different races, and the Immorality Act of 1950 made sexual relations with a person of a different race a criminal offence."

    There you go, Maph. Equate that with gay marriage, loudly and repeatedly, and you'll get your federal gay marriage law.

    While he was in Europe during WWII, my father once went on a "double-date" with a fellow G.I. and two (iirc) German girls. Things progressed, and he and his girl went one way in the woods to be alone, while the other soldier and girl went another way.
    He was making out, when they heard the other girl screaming. He and the girl he was with ran to where the screaming was coming from, and found the other soldier standing over the other girl, pistol whipping her. My dad pulled the guy off, and while his date tried to calm and clean up the other girl, my dad questioned the guy about wtf set him off.

    It seems the girl had offered him oral sex... like she gave the black soldiers.

    What nobody (but me) seems to remember, is that culturally, in the U.S., as recently as the mid-20th century, it was considered as perverted to have sex outside one's race as it was to be homosexual or bestial. South Africa merely codified into law what was de-facto culturally in the U.S.

    I point this out because I've seen way too often people pointing fingers in mock outrage and condemnation at the "evils" in other people's homes, as a means of deflecting from the evils in their own. Making scapegoats of others for their own guilty consciences.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 10 years, 5 months ago
    The man was a Marxist terrorist. His legacy is being rewritten because he mellowed with age. Even so he is the equivalent of Yasser Arafat or Che Guavara and killed as many people. FYI - he used to burn live people in a stack of tires. This man, the murdering terrorist, is the same man everyone seems willing to canonize today.

    Consider: the ends justifies the means

    Isn't that the exact mantra of all that is happening to deconstruct this country today?
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's like saying Lenin affected a necessary change in Russia. Mao affected a necessary change in China. Ho Chi Minh affected a necessary change in S. Vietnam.

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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Examine Africa under the colonials, and examine Africa since.

    I rest my case.

    You're going to get your chance to writhe in anguish and lust for blood, because Ubuntu is growing in America, and you will be becoming a slave soon... and if you happen to be white (and in particular, male), you *will* be facing abuse and persecution... thanks to white males.

    He didn't have pictures of Ayn Rand, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, or other freedom-fighter on his wall; he had pictures of Lenin and Stalin. Had he had a picture of Hitler on his wall he couldn't have been more evil.

    How "pushed beyond his reason" was he as an old man, promoting slavery?
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  • Posted by 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't say that I think his philosophy is something I can condone. I don't. But there are certainly those who could have abused the position he held without remorse. But he did affect a necessary change in SA. Now his family will brawl over the leavings. :-(
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Kim Rhodes (Lillian Rearden) chastized me on Twitter for replying to one of her retweets about him with, "..and we are free of him".
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  • Posted by Lucky 10 years, 5 months ago
    Supporting and allying with Communism and Islamism are not evidence of 'true dignity'.
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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm listening to Michael Savage, and he says that he doesn't want to discuss Mandela, because he will be accused of racism. Apparently, Mandela didn't spend almost 3 decades in jail for handing out political pamphlets...and he must have a little 'blood' on his hands from his earliest efforts of rebellion.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In simpler terms, for the progressives in the audience... "you didn't build that".
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'd love to know, of all the vitriolic responses I'm sure to get for not sheepishly bowing head in tribute to the passing of this enemy of everything I believe, how many will have actually followed all the links before spewing bile at me.
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