We WILL find out how it works
Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 5 months ago to Government
Vermont decided to take it a step further by setting up their very own single payer system.
The slogan of the program: Everybody in, nobody out.
For details: http://www.occupydemocrats.com/vermont-m...
The slogan of the program: Everybody in, nobody out.
For details: http://www.occupydemocrats.com/vermont-m...
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No, it's NOT as simple a "cause and effect" issue as you'd like to make it.
And, people "without health care" don't all die. What a crappy "argument."
and believes that "the government will pay for it."
Lunacy of the highest order.
On Linked In, one libber, when asked by me if there were ANY limit in her mind to how much teachers should be paid, actually said, and I quote... "NO!"
NO LIMIT. Ten thousand, I asked? A hundred thousand? A million dollars? Ten million PER TEACHER???? "No, she answered... no limit."
And she's a lawyer, too. Go figure.
I don't disagree AT ALL that more PREVENTIVE CARE will help lower costs in the long run, but I have serous doubts about what the real savings will look like over the next 1, 2, 5, or 10 years.
We shall see.
Talk about "bait and switch"?! Let alone "caveat emptor"! Sucker bait!
The citizens of Vermont will be in for a rude awakening, when the additional federal funds for the Medicaid expansion get turned off. These funds are sunset provisions, and if my memory serves me, will expire after 3 years. This was the main reason that my state refused to take this 'bribe' to set up a state exchange...the Florida taxpayers would be handed the bill, when the federal funds ended.
???????? That's not the point, as Hiraghm points out in his reply... AVAILABILITY of a product or service does not create excessive demand... getting it "free" (ie, not having to pay directly for it or having someone else pay for it instead of you) DOES create excessive demand and market distortions.
But liberal "true believers" will not or can not understand that.
http://www.plusaf.com/linkedin/linked-in...
At the end of which he agreed that "abortion is NOT a 'black or white' issue"...
You certainly see things in black and white, even if there might be shades of gray.
Lucky you.
Maybe.
Fred Speckmann
Fred Speckmann
When Americans speak of religion, despite the propaganda the media and this administration puts out, we are usually speaking of Christianity.
Fred Speckmann
Fred Speckmann
I would suggest you ask some Cubans who risk their lives getting here in small leaky boats unless you can find a few of the people who actually swam through shark infested waters wearing a life preserver.
As to Ayn Rand being an Atheist, true, but that only shows that she was mistaken in one of her beliefs. In the recently rediscovered interview, she states that one of her reasons for not believing in a God was that it conflicts with man then believing that they could never achieve being like God. her misunderstanding was that Christian belief is that we should all try to become like God, therefore proving her misunderstanding of Christianity.
Fred Speckmann
But there is a cost to reward ratio. The more pure water is, the more expensive. Most people would love to drink the purest water, because it's better for them, but would refuse to pay for all of the resources it takes to purify water to that level.
It is the same with health. I think I am healthy enough. But I smoke. And for right now I like to smoke, knowing that I will hate it later. Other people over indulge in food. Others refuse to brush their teeth and others refuse to exercise. They feel like their time will be better spent doing other things. Whether it is or not doesn't matter in this discussion, just the fact that they chose to do other things than maintain their body.
Even genetic diseases fall under this category. If you cared about your health you would go in for a relatively cheap check up and you would ask your family about any common diseases among them. From that point on you can choose to do something to protect yourself from your genetic disposition, or not.
Maybe you could give me your thoughts on this, I may have gotten off track from where I wanted to go but If you would like to offer your opinion I would appreciate it. Or you can tell me it isn't worth talking about and I could try again lol.
You can be replaced by a bumper sticker...and make more sense.
Talk to the hand.
You just revealed just how little you know about what you are promoting.
You are about to get exactly what you deserve...but, sadly, you are taking so many of us down with you.
On second thought, I don't trust you to get the facts, so here is what you didn't know:
"The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, Section 1302, “Essential Health Benefits Requirements,” page 45, signed into law on Mar. 23, 2010, available at www.thomas.gov, states:
"(b) ESSENTIAL HEALTH BENEFITS.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Subject to paragraph (2), the Secretary shall define the essential health benefits, except that such benefits shall include at least the following general categories and the items and services covered within the categories:
(A) Ambulatory patient services.
(B) Emergency services.
(C) Hospitalization.
(D) Maternity and newborn care.
(E) Mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment.
(F) Prescription drugs.
(G) Rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices.
(H) Laboratory services.
(I) Preventive and wellness services and chronic disease management.
(J) Pediatric services, including oral and vision care."
http://healthcarereform.procon.org/view....
Read it, and weep....
No, it doesn't mean that today we'd have to implement a draft.
You chose to entirely overlook the marines part of my comment. And the fact that the States are expected to train the militia, meaning we'd already have trained troops, just not the hated "regulars".
Whether we need a standing army or not has nothing to do with its Constitutionality.
And generals and Admirals have such a great track record of picking weapons, such as the cavalry officers who opposed implementation of the tank and airplane, the naval opposition to aircraft carriers (the potential of which nobody but Billy Mitchell saw before Pearl Harbor. Sad that only the Japanese listened to him).
It wasn't politicians who held up the adoption of the M16 rifle.
And I'd bet the doctors at the Shriner's Hospital aren't among the best in the world, except in the sense that doctors practicing in America are among the best in the world.
Fortunately this is America and we don't have to put up with that.
"I find that I agree fully with my good friend Patrick Henry when he said it cannot be emphasized too strongly or to often that this great nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians, not on religions, but on The Gosple of Jesus Christ." - Edward Rutledge
"Amongst other strange things said of me, I hear it is said by the deists that I am one of the number; and indeed, that some good people think I am no Christian. This thought gives me much more pain than the appellation of Tory; because I think religion of infinitely higher importance than politics; and I find much cause to reproach myself that I have lived so long, and have given no decided and public proofs of my being a Christian. But, indeed, my dear child, this is a character which I prize far above all this world has, or can boast." - Patrick Henry
"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."
-- John Adams
"The second day of July, 1776, will be the most memorable epoch in the history of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance, by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with pomp and parade, with shows, games, sports, guns, bells, bonfires and illuminations, from one end of this continent to the other, from this time forward forever."
--Adams wrote this in a letter to his wife, Abigail, on July 3, 1776.
"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."
--The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, p. 385.
The "wall of separation" is between *church* and state, not between *religion* and state, which gets back to the "establishment" issue.
Just as the 1st never protects you from *exposure* to speech, it never protects you from *exposure* to religion, even speech and religion expressed by those in high office.
Please list all the Moslems who signed the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution.
After, please list all the scientologists, Buddhists, Taoists, Wiccans, atheists (*not* "deists"!), and Hindus.
I think you will find that, particularly culturally, those who formed the government were primarily oriented toward Christianity.
Thank God.
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