We WILL find out how it works
Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 5 months ago to Government
Vermont decided to take it a step further by setting up their very own single payer system.
The slogan of the program: Everybody in, nobody out.
For details: http://www.occupydemocrats.com/vermont-m...
The slogan of the program: Everybody in, nobody out.
For details: http://www.occupydemocrats.com/vermont-m...
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But, you have said, "let them die" so it's clear you don't care about anyone but yourself and yours."
Rest assured, 'You have defined you.' You've left no doubt in my mind at all.
Under ObamaCare, even a 60 year old flaming homosexual has to have maternity benefits, as well as birth control coverage. Insanity....
The same way moochers are inferior to producers.
The beginning years that have federal funding will fall on every American taxpayer.
And there is always the possibility that the federal funding can be extended by Congress....
So it's win win for the individual and society.
I would place the morality issue first, but that's just my preference and maybe, if you would be so kind, you could talk to me about it.
Your argument that it is good for society means that you think the benefit of society is more important than what's good for the individual.
According to WHO and pretty much anything else I've seen they are on par. You haven't shown anything different except a propaganda blast from a Batista era sibling.
Was she moral without religion?
Like I said before... "Morality" has absolutely nothing to do with anyone's activities. Social contracts and laws are what governs that. There ain't no "morality" in a 15 mph speed limit in a school zone. It's simply a fact that things are much safer for the kids when drivers slow down. As a society we've agreed to do that.
If you wanna see what religion does to governments go to one of those Muslum countries.
Simple: The United States government won't establish any religion.
Oh, and don't forget Ayn Rand was an atheist.
Oh, and I can understand that we don't need such a standing army as we used to. But that also means that in today's world we would have to implement a draft. Oops. It would also mean that they would have to be trained and in today's world an incident could be over before that can happen.
So, we still need a standing army. Let's let them pick the weapons instead of politicians and their pork barrel efforts though.
The doctors at Shrine Hospitals (that don't charge patients for treatment) are among the best in the world, yet they aren't money grubbing entramanures sucking what they can get from the public.
It's in the middle of the article at: http://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm
Without God to provide an objective standard of morality, the only standard of morality is that which one has the power to do, and which gives one pleasure to do. The only limitation on said power is to encounter someone with greater power.
For example, under this postulate (in spite of your attempts at mischaracterization), it is both one's "right" and perfectly moral for one to walk down the street raping women at random, until one encounters either a woman or a man more powerful than oneself with the desire to stop one from doing it. Then it remains moral, but one loses the right to do it.
Because without God to provide an objective standard of morality.... "moral" is just a matter of opinion. Even Ayn Rand's definition. (although I tend to favor Heinlein's definition).
I am tired and finished trying to explain the obvious to the willfully obtuse.
G'night, troll.
"The program will be fully operational by 2017, and will be funded through Medicare, Medicaid, federal money for the ACA given to Vermont, and a slight increase in taxes. In exchange, there will be no more premiums, deductibles, copay’s, hospital bills or anything else aimed at making insurance companies a profit. Further, all hospitals and healthcare providers will now be nonprofit."
Sounds like looting to me, albeit compartmentalization of what is already mandated on a national scale. It will likely serve an excellent purpose in that the results of the "experiment" will be obvious, as they will be contained within the state of Vermont. Whether politicians will acknowledge this remains to be seen. No doubt any success with be shouted from the mountaintops. Failures....who knows?
I wonder if the collapse of The Old Man Of The Mountain was a "sign".
**"To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years; **
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;" - U.S. Constitution, article 1, section 8.
I surrounded the relevant section with asterisks.
The Founding Fathers did not want there to be a standing army; we were, however, to have a standing navy, which means a standing marine corps for those military functions necessary in situations short of actual land warfare.
There are historical reasons for this provision.
You are "correct when I say the difference between me and you is that you think I'm morally obligated to save a fellow human if it is within my capacity to do so."
Of course it's patently false. It's better for society if folks can stay in the workforce and don't contaminate others with disease. It isn't a question of "morality." It's just good business for a society to treat medical issues for everyone early.
"Morality" is a secondary issue at best but so many seem to think they have the be all and end all in their corner of the world with their version...
I am using socialist to refer to scumbags that wish to enslave men one to another for the benefit of the inferior of spirit, at the expense of the superior in spirit (for want of better, concise terms).
Would you like me to inundate you with some more Founding Father quotes where they not only expressed belief in the existence of God, but expressed preference for Christianity as the unofficial religion of the U.S.?
Thanks for that insight.
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