We WILL find out how it works

Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 5 months ago to Government
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Vermont decided to take it a step further by setting up their very own single payer system.

The slogan of the program: Everybody in, nobody out.

For details: http://www.occupydemocrats.com/vermont-m...

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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nonsense. My lack of comment does not indicate any standard one way or the other. Do you wish my opinion of the WHO rankings?
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    Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm curious...

    Why are so many around here pushing their version of christanity when Ayn Rand was an atheist? Seems to me like they have an agenda other than what Ayn Rand supported.
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    Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hi Objective,

    You say: "You discard info presented out of hand and besmirch the author. That is Ad-hominem and thus inconsequential. "

    A disingenuous claim. I didn't see you going after the bogus claims made about WHO and the rankings of medical care.
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    Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nope. Got it wrong again, Hiraghm.

    Here is what some nasty Christians say about the Great Architect of the Universe: "Freemason's “Great Architect” is Satan!" You can find that at: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20R...

    Can't have it both ways, Hiraghm. It's up to you to sort out what those other Christians are doing and please report back.
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    Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So Hiraghm... Offer another ratings system that supports your alleged "point."

    Except by your claim you haven't discredited WHPO on any way.
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    Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Here goes Hiraghm trying to impose his religion again: "Abortion, except in self-defense of one's life, IS murder because..."

    Only in this case in the context of your religion, Hiraghm. Abortion is legal in most of America. Further, some folks even understand how it only applies to their religion. Don't believe it! Check out: http://www.catholicsforchoice.org/

    "you are killing a creature with a unique, human genetic pattern,..."

    Bull exhaust. A fetus is no more a "human being" than an acorn is a tree. Try building a house out of acorns. But, the genetic material is the same.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Lots of Christians called slavery immoral, but it was legal.

    Can't have it both ways.

    Abortion, except in self-defense of one's life, IS murder because you are killing a creature with a unique, human genetic pattern, making him human.

    If being inconvenient, funny looking, and dependent upon others deprives one of one's humanity, then let me get my ammo, cause I got a lot of illegal aliens and welfare parasites to shoot.
    (for the candy-asses out there, that's sarcasm.)
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    Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Social contract: I won't kill you or your kin if you don't kill mine.

    And lots of Christians call abortion "murder" but it is legal. Hasn't worked so well in halting that. Guess that there Christian influence ain't so strong.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, many of them were Masons. What's your point? Masons are also deists. One of the requirements to become a Freemason is a belief in the existence of God.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The WHO is a leftist organization with an agenda. I give its assertion, reports and conclusions no weight whatsoever.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The Mormon church retaining its opposition to homosexual oxymoron is NOT a state religion.

    An establishment of religion would be the Anglican Church.

    Solyndra, Bobo. Pig-tail, poisonous lightbulbs, Bobo. We are being forced to accept the tenets of the Green religion in actual practice by the federal government.

    I notice that you don't mention one other religious imposition on the federal government: murder. All Christian religions condemn it as an extreme sin, therefore in order to avoid establishing a Christian state religion, we must halt any and all legal penalties for committing murder.
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    Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So, Fred wants a little proof...

    He can go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_religiou...

    But this should be kept in mind: "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

    So, although it's against the rules the "Christians" still try to have an impact on how America runs.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We are establishing a state religion, from the left. We are all being forced to bend knee to the faith-based religion of Earth worship, put forward by the Greens.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You discard info presented out of hand and besmirch the author. That is Ad-hominem and thus inconsequential. The book is filled with actual letters and various writings of the founders. I did not address the Constitution question, because I do not believe there are any direct quotes from the bible contained within. That in no way diminishes the fact that a great many of the founders were indeed Christians and had influence shaping our Constitution and in so doing embedded certain Judeo-Christian principles.
    http://christianity.about.com/od/indepen...
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  • Posted by airfredd22 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Re: MikeMarotta

    I certainly agree with your concern about the liquor laws that prohibit stores from selling legal products before noon. I'm a believer in the free market and that there should be no laes prohibiting legal products to be sold whenever the storekeeper chooses to do so 24 hours a day. It seems to be a leftover from earlier times when religious influences were stronger than they are today.

    However, would appreciate some further information regarding your claim that, “Until 1990 or so, in about a dozen states you could not vote, serve on a jury, or hold elective office if you did not profess a belief in God.” this would be unconstitutional in a very obvious way as the Constitution specifically prohibits any such restrictions.

    Please remember that among any group and that includes Christians, there will be unreasonable people. My statements regarding religion and Christianity specifically, are about following the teachings of Jesus Christ and the 10 commandments as best as we possibly can. Few of us are successful at it and certainly I'm not. However, that doesn't change my beliefs and my desire to become a better human being.

    Fred Speckmann
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    Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, I'm sure Reverend Morris was unbiased in his work. (not)

    Still didn't find any quotes from that there Christian bible in our Constitution. Figured.
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    Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    nickursis claims: "but the plain and simple fact is, at that time, and in that culture, the WAS a religious influence that was reflected in our laws created then, and carried on."

    Many of the Founding Fathers were Deists, and certainly not Christian. For more insight to that fact you can go to: http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfa...

    If your Christian bible was so influential in America's founding can you show us any quotes from it in our Constitution?

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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No not exactly. The FEDERAL constitution prohibited a NATIONAL church, but until 1839, Massachusetts collected taxes for the Congregational Church. States had state religions.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    See my comment above to Airfred22. And you would have to agree. America has had Christianity as its de facto state religion. Just as the Muslim theocracies allowed that "people of the book" were also allowed certain liberties, so, too, did the USA grant privileges to Jews and Muslims who professed a belief in God.

    You seem to be arguing both sides. Either America is legalistically dominated by religion or it is not. I see that things are changing. As I noted, since about 1990, atheists have been allowed to vote.
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