We WILL find out how it works

Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 5 months ago to Government
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Vermont decided to take it a step further by setting up their very own single payer system.

The slogan of the program: Everybody in, nobody out.

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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Say it, Bob... How do the doctors get paid?

    Military doctors get paid the same way every other soldier gets paid... tax dollars.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, because nobody uses what's freely available. What planet have you been living on? Can't be this one if you've never seen people avail themselves of what they don't have to pay for... especially after you leftists have replaced our traditional values of honor with the entitlement mentality which reigns today.

    Yeah, Japan... how long has their depression been going on now? Since the late '90s?
    Have you checked the tax rates in those countries you cited? They're going bankrupt.

    The way countries with socialist, government controlled healthcare (can't be confused with *universal*) is the way they deal with it in Canada... months long lines for even basic treatment. Poor quality healthcare when you do get it. Travel to the United States for specialized, expensive treatments if you need them and can afford them.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How does that make it a lower rate? What keeps the doctors from charging the same and pocketing the profit?
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  • Posted by 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, he has.

    However, had America stepped up in the beginning things could have been different.

    But their health care is still on par with ours.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Bankrupt? Really? Japan, any country in Scandinavia, England...

    BTW, you didn't prove your alleged "point" that folks will use more health care if it's available.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So what do you think should be done with a doctor operating drunk who hurts people?
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yeah, what the hell does "quality of life" mean?
    And what the hell did Patrick Henry and the rest of those extremists mean when they were willing to die for their freedom?

    Of course Castro wasn't given any support from America; he's a God-damned *communist*.

    The people of Cuba welcomed Castro so much that he has to keep them there by threat and force, while many risk their lives to escape.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You mean those countries going bankrupt?

    EVERYONE IS ELIGIBLE FOR HEALTH CARE.

    The only requirement is that you are able to pay for what you BUY.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The same way a doctor gets paid in Canada or one of our military doctors gets paid.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How do doctors get paid in countries with universal health care.

    Personally I'd rather have a doctor passionate about saving lives rather than a doctor passionate about money.
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  • Posted by zwdavis4 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So can the doctor refuse treatment and then not get paid by... whoever is footing the bill?

    I'm not trying to say that doctors are not going to get paid. If I implied that I apologize. I could care less if a doctor is paid for what he does as long as he freely chooses to do it.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Cubans still enjoy a lifespan similar to ours and they are pretty much the same in infant mortality.

    BTW, the narrator of the film was from a guy who left Cuba with Batista. Batista was a thug and a criminal and the people of Cuba welcomed Castro.

    Because of the politics Castro wasn't given any support from America. He HAD to go to Russia for help. It was very bad decisions by Eisenhower and Kennedy that put Cuba as an enemy on our doorstep.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Jail time costs the taxpayers money and doesn't compensate the alleged victim.

    " Kate Sullivan: Well, for someone who has nothing nice to say about lawyers, you certainly have plenty of them around.

    Lawrence Garfield: They're like nuclear warheads. They have theirs, so I have mine. Once you use them, they fk up everything. "
    - "Other People's Money"
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  • Posted by zwdavis4 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So now we all are the slaves cause we all are forced to do something we do not freely choose to do.
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  • Posted by Argo 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Then by that logic, I should have a right to a car, to a college education, to a $75,000/yr. job, and to McMansion!
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  • Posted by 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Because someone else is paying for it, people are going to the doctor for everything and popping pills for everything."

    Hiraghm, can you show us how that works in countries that already have universal health care?

    In America do military dependents who are eligible for health care use it more often that the rest of America?
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But will the malpractice?

    And if the medical part of the expense goes away... how does the doctor get paid?
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Clue... who will do the paying for what?
    Clue... will they be paid what their skills are worth, or will they be paid some arbitrary amount the socialist bastards in government think they should be paid?
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  • Posted by 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    With universal health care the medical portion of the expense goes away.

    Insurance rates will go down.
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    Posted by 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Question asked: "I ask who then is going to pay the doctor?"

    We all do, except that it will be at a lower rate because we won't be paying for insurance fat cats.
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    Posted by 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Awwwww zwdavis, where did I ever say this: "However when you make the doctor give treatment for free"

    Please quit making stuff up. Doctors in Vermont will still get paid.

    What I'm saying that in rising health care costs there is no incentive to lower them.

    What you are trying to say is that remuneration for doctors will go to zero if Vermont's plan is implemented. Absolutely false. They will still get paid.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have the solution.
    Do away with medical schools.
    If there are no doctors, there's nobody to charge these unacceptably high fees.
    Do away with pharmaceutical companies. If there are no medicines, there will be no unacceptably high fees.

    How is it "looting" to charge what people are willing to pay?
    How is it "looting" for the cost of insurance to skyrocket because insurance is expected to cover more and more non-catastrophic treatment?

    When a hospital charges $5k for an operation if you pay cash, but $12k if you use insurance, that is an indicator that it's health *insurance* that's driving up the cost of health *care*.

    I see employees at work wasting all kinds of supplies. Not simply using too much or using it sloppily, but simply losing tools after one or two uses. Why should they be frugal with supplies, when somebody else with deep pockets, Walmart, is footing the bill? The same is true with health insurance. Because someone else is paying for it, people are going to the doctor for everything and popping pills for everything.
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