We WILL find out how it works

Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 5 months ago to Government
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Vermont decided to take it a step further by setting up their very own single payer system.

The slogan of the program: Everybody in, nobody out.

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  • Posted by airfredd22 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Re: Boborobdos

    It seems that your grammar is starting to fail you or at least the typos are increasing to a point where little of what you write is making sense. Please re-read your post above and make corrections to clarify your meaning.

    As to your claims that include Scientology as a religion, I suggest that you study their beliefs a little more and understand that they are not believers in any form of God as believers in God understand it.

    Your reference to 70 virgins and throwing it together with the beliefs of the many different religions is another example of your ignorance on the subject. You and I are continuing this debate as if either one of us is expected to be convinced. I'm sure that I don't expect to convince you of the existence of a God and frankly I'm not engaging in this back and forth to convince you of anything other than the concept of I'm more than happy for you to exist in your ignorance and can only hope that you allow me the same privilege.

    Sadly it seems to be a problem for atheist to allow the existence of religious beliefs among others when we have no objections to your personal beliefs. The question comes down to a simple couple of facts. I can't prove that God exists and you can't prove that god doesn't exist. Therefore the word faith is a part of religious beliefs. Atheist need to learn the meaning of freedom, freedom for me and for you without demeaning or prohibiting such beliefs by either one of us.

    Fred Speckmann
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    Posted by 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Awww Fred, anti-abortion efforts stand out.

    But now I'll bet you want to define all christians rather than those themselves who call themselves christians.

    You use the term, you sort 'em out. Someone says they are "christian" and advocated taking away something (like choice even though that there brutal christian god seems to have said folks should have it) I'm going to take them at their word. You don't want them to be christians then you tell them to stop using your god.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What difference should it make to you what my belief or the beliefs of billions of other believers in the word are? "

    When they try to inflict those beliefs on others through anti-abortion efforts, taking over school boards as was done in Dover, PA, blue laws...
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  • Posted by 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "making your unsubstantial claims of a non existing God."

    Can't prove a negative. It's up to you to prove your god is real.
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  • Posted by airfredd22 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
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    Please provide one example of any Christian who wants to take any freedom away from anyone.
    It wouldn't seem right to me either if there were such "Christians."
    Fred Speckmann
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  • Posted by airfredd22 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
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    Sadly you continue to show your ignorance regarding both matters. True, there were many criminals among the Mariel Boat Lift during the end of the 1970''s and October 1980 when it ended, but these were criminals specifically released and sent to the U.S. By Castro in order to cause great havoc in the U.S. These “immigrants” had nothing to do with the people I'm talking about and you know it. That there are criminals among refugees on occasion is not in dispute, but I'm talking about the vast majority of those refugees.

    As to your ignorant comment “...I find it sad that any religion has to grow its ranks for it's members to get their ticket to their heaven punched. Do what you do among yourselves, but leave others who don't join alone.” Who is trying to inject religion on you or anyone else? It is you who through your commentary are injecting yourself into the religious beliefs of others by making your unsubstantial claims of a non existing God. None of us will have proof one way or the other until our death, that's why believers in God refer to their belief as faith. You are entitled to your faith in that there is no God and frankly I could care very little about your personal beliefs. However to insist on your belief being correct is to insist that my belief is incorrect. What difference should it make to you what my belief or the beliefs of billions of other believers in the word are? To leave each other alone without dispute is what most believers advocate. I've never heard of any religious person suing to disallow any atheist from stating their belief.
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    Posted by 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In this context the notion of not helping someone in our society simply because they don't want to be out of pocket.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Further, she's not me either.

    Teachers, doctors, nurses, and thousands of other folks don't go into their fields out of greed. Once substance levels are met their motives vary as much as there are people. That's part of the beauty of America. Folks can do what they want because they love it.

    Besides, I don't want a doctor who is in practice out of greed. I want one who wants to cure folks or help them exit gracefully.
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    Posted by 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Doctors for the military, Catholic Hospitals, Shriners, etc. are paid.

    Why are you proclaiming that they don't? Doctors in Canada get paid too, as they do in all countries that have universal health care.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually it may cost less. Get rid of the fat cats, tort cases for care, and stockholders and there is more money for health care that doesn't come out of a tax payer's pocket and go down a rat hole.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If you are a citizen without problems I see no reason you can't keep your gun and I certainly want to keep mine.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "DOES create excessive demand and market distortions. "

    Claimed, now prove it. In the Army do folks use it more? In other countries that have universal health care do folks use it more?

    Prove it.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Drinking or impairment in any circumstance is a black and white issue. People die from drunk drivers.

    For a first offense a 24 hour time out would be the wake-up call. For those more committed to bad behavior it escalates. If that's black and white so be it.

    In abortion I am also black and white as far as the right wing is concerned. I don't think anyone should decide but the woman herself. What she decides is no never mind to me, only that she decide.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Excuse me? I am pretty sure our culture is one labeled "Judeo Christian" for a reason. The basic structure and accepted norms for moral action stem from those basic precepts. Most western culture stems from it as well, so how the heck do you get that there is no state religion? Good grief, if there was no state religion the damn democrats wouldn't have been in charge these last 6 years. Ask all the "We want change" people who voted for a one term senator who didn't have a clue what he was doing but could persuade a few million that he did. That's a powerful religion...
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  • Posted by 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Christianity with may versions.

    But America is still a melting pot where all religions are allowed from Christian Scientists to Scientology.

    The one thing most have in common is a god who can't finance his own work so he begs from those who are expected to give it to him for a promise of eternal bliss and 70 virgins or whatever.

    Most religions conger images of cannibalism and L. Ron Hubbard auditing a tomatoes.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh and Fred...
    Ayn Rand's belief in free will was coincidental with the alleged free will offered by Christians.

    BTW, how's that cannibal thing going? Eat any good gods lately? You know, that transubstantiation thing?

    "In theology, transubstantiation (in Latin, transsubstantiatio, in Greek μετουσίωσις metousiosis) is the doctrine that the substance of the bread and the wine used in the sacrament of the Eucharist is changed, not merely as by a sign or a figure, but also in reality,[1][2] into the substance of the Body and the Blood of Jesus,[3] " That's from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstan...
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    Posted by 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If free will is such a "Christian" principle why do so many Christians want to take freedoms away from others? Your god gives 'em free will, and the local nuts work to take it away. Doesn't seem right to me.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes Fred. Many of those Cubans were criminals. Not the political kind but the kind that pray upon other human beings. Then there are the ones like Elio's mother who lost a custody suit and tried to run away from the father. There are many reasons folks get into the water.

    Mentioning preying I find it sad that any religion has to grow its ranks for it's members to get their ticket to their heaven punched. Do what you do among yourselves, but leave others who don't join alone.
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    Posted by 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The cost / reward ratio has proven itself to be effective in many countries and in organizations like the Army, Catholic Hospitals, Shriners, etc. It works. It's that simple.

    Bad habits are bad habits. You are rare that you admit yours. Around here what I most often see is folks piling on such saying they don't want to pay for someone else's bad habits. Ayn Rand herself smoked.

    We are a society pretty much interacting with each other. Taking care of each other makes it better for everyone.
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    Posted by 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not just the improvement from preventative care but the improvement of not having to pay fat cats and their stockholders. The money won't be at risk on Wall Street either. Considerable savings there.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Do you work for free Bobo? Expecting to get compensated for your work and knowledge is NOT greed.
    And maybe for the time being no one is forced to become a doctor....but bo care will take care of that soon enough.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Mental health issues in children are not being improved with bo care. But I'm sure that's by design.
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