Why the "rich" already pay their fair share

Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 3 months ago to Economics
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The liberals just like to re-define "rich" on the fly to be "those whom I want to punish". Sound familiar at all?

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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Obamas economic failure provides an opportunity"
    We haven't seen the effects of the economic decisions. We're in the expansion phase of the economic cycle, and it's not due to the gov't. The gov't keeps running up this debt, though, and maybe it is causing the expansion to be tepid. It definitely will be mini-crisis when rates rise.
    "You have said that you will be supporting Hillary Clinton"
    I probably said that, but I have not made up my mind. I don't work in a political industry, so I can go to competing candidates' fundraisers. It's not like anyone cares who CG endorses.
    Even though I'm not in politics, it seems like I know so many people who know Hillary. I feel like I could have the tiniest bit of influence on her. If Rand Paul ran and operated like Ron Paul in wanting to reduce the gov't influence, it would be amazing. I don't think most candidates want that, even deep in their hearts. They just want to do whatever they need to go get elected and figure if they get the votes they're doing a good job.



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  • Posted by richrobinson 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't do the hate thing. I disagree with anyone who supports progressive or in my opinion socialist policies. I believe that Obamas economic failure provides an opportunity for someone to make the case for a different approach. I like Scott Walker or Rand Paul. You have said that you will be supporting Hillary Clinton. She is just Obama in a pant suit.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Everything had to be timed, verified, etc. "
    This is *so* bad b/c work that can be quantified by time is done by machines now. The real value comes from committed people thinking of ways to solve problems... little decisions like hand-delivering something to a customer whose order was lost or finding a way to reduce mindless e-mails by making something less confusing for customers.
    The union idea only made sense, if it ever did, in a world where work what mechanistic and tightly linked to time. It makes no sense today.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Yeah, I feel thoroughly punished every day."
    Yes. Some days more than others. The worst day for taxes is approaching: Q1 estimates and last year's taxes both due April 15.
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  • Posted by Maritimus 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Only truly disabled people with no earnings should be tax exempt. If one is able bodied adult, no taxpayer provided income for them. Huge portions of humanity live on earnings from their labor and no subsidies. Why should Americans be encouraged to be lazy?
    Just my opinion.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "We break the cycle by electing politicians who promote freedom, liberty and capitalism."
    That's factually undeniable. If a majority voted libertarian, we'd have more libertarian policies. Contributing them feels like pissing in the wind, though, even though it's the right thing to do. Hating everyone who work with mainstream candidates means you hate the vast majority of the US.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes! The very notion of people operating as an identity group that tells you specific conclusions you're supposed to reach is wrong.

    It's understandable that experts in winning elections might thing, "how will this language play with African Americans in the suburban areas of the north east," but we should see the world that way, as identity groups pitted against one another.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "tonight you are a libertarian. last night you were an Objectivist?"
    I think of libertarians as the political group that most reflects objectivism. I haven't read about objectivism beyond AS and Fountainhead, so I certainly may be misunderstanding objectivism. I agree with the tenor of the books; I'm not sure that makes me an objectivist.
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In other words, you treated employees as respected co-workers. I can see why a union could not allow that...
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You should have sen the Union proposal. We'd have had to hire a person just to keep track of employee negotiations, complaints, rules, etc. Actually it would have been worse for the employees as we were small enough to loosely run. There were no time clocks. We shut down for an hour at noon. If someone was a little late coming back or took a longer break, nothing was said so long as the work got done. That wouldn't fly with a Union. Everything had to be timed, verified, etc. It was running a factory with hundreds of people. We ran it like a family.
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's 18 to 20 jobs lost. Think our rulers will ever figure out what happened to the jobs?
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Good point about property taxes. For my office, I pay property tax not only on the land and building, but there's a separate bill for contents!
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    By the way, we were a small business and only employed 18 to 20 people in the mail order. The publishing employed three. Myself, my son and a secretary. We later added a bookkeeper.
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  • Posted by sumitch 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'd like to see a flat tax coupled with a limit to what the government can spend. No money coming in no spending going out, month by month. And no cutesy accounting or politic tricks
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    1. From Washington the real one, to Florida, through Texas and kept going.
    2. Expat status at present. I show up once or twice a year to check the incoming retirement and ensure the taxes are on time.
    3. As for Flat Tax it is still an income tax which means government control as opposed to an end user consumption tax which puts the citizen in control. One is left wing flat, scaled or serrated and the other is right wing. One is by and for those who believe in government control of citizens. The other is Constitutional Centrist and right of that for those that believe citizens should control government as employeesl

    the right used to be the domain of government by divine right. Still is but not a King. Under the Constitution it became the divine right of citizens. Until they gave it back. i think they meant for some government but went too far. Maybe it's why the establishment left wing is so anti-religion. God knows you can't vote for either one of them and be a Christian or good any one of the other eight Golden Rule religions.

    The center we now think of is the center of the left. Both the democrat face and the republican face. Not a token of difference. Just a choice between evil and more evil. I don't flush my vote down a bankrupt toilet.

    Move to Texas? It's far safer on the other side of the border for one thing. Texas, Houston especially or anywhere up there has far too high a crime rate. Last I checked Houston 12 shooting deaths per hundred thousand, Texas was 5-6 per. USA average 3-4 and of those million USA citizens that reside south of that border it's just under 2 per hundred thousand counting those involved in criminal activity. Trick is those folks live more than 50 miles south of the border. I'll have to check that again when the new figures come out and then for accuracy since it's legacy and legend (fairy tale) building time. They change and the above may be a bit off the mark.

    That's just one choice. In the US I use a carry permit. Where I reside there is no need. TEXAS?

    Point is there is a choice at least once the working life is over - the other reason I moved elsewhere. Better standard of living and safer. The second reason I visit up north is to vote against evil. Don't shirk my Constitutional responsibility nor vote for enemies domestic. Which excludes all left wing candidates such as the RINOs and DINOs. The first as an aside now means Republic In Name Only. the second is unprintable.

    Anyway...think about those taxes again. Flat tax will just get you the same thing. Maybe think about recall in places that don't have it instead. Can't lop off Medusa's Heads aim for the ankles. Grass roots. Government party types show up turn your back and say, "Get behind me." Give them zero, zip, nada, goose egg support. Things like a Soft Money Eradication Act or a Honest Voting Act. If nothing else it will scare the crap out of them and perhaps solidify the disenfranchised and unrepresented. Who knows? Might even get the Constitution back one of these centuries.

    I don''t Serve The Party' Do you?
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 3 months ago
    I never made the 1% or even the2,3,4,or 5%. But since we employed people, I was called a labor exploiter. When the union wanted to unionize our mail order firm, we decided that rather than put up with all that crap, we would close up the mail order, sell off the inventory, and concentrate entirely on our publishing biz. The fellow who tried to bring the union in, tried to emulate our mail order. He lasted less than 6 months. Businesses always look better from the outside. They rarely understand the hard work, and business acumen that goes into it.
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