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The New Religion

Posted by khalling 10 years, 5 months ago to Culture
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Certainly, that is the tactic of choice at the prestigious, exclusive Hayground School in Bridgehampton, where an astonishing one-third of typically secular, sophisticated, ultra-liberal parents have, it seems, a “genuine” religious objection to vaccination of their children.

To parents who send their kids to local public schools that doesn’t cut it. A long-established local pediatrician, Gail Schonfeld, now refuses to accept patients the children of parents who won’t permit immunization. She believes in vaccines—in fact, considers them just plain good medical practice—and says if “parents don’t trust me with this, we won’t have a good working relationship.”


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  • Posted by Mamaemma 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you, LetsShrug. Holy hell. I have explained myself more than once, and I am not here to argue with Robbie.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I find it curious that I am the one arguing the rational position, and you are the one arguing the sentimental/emotional one.
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes it is, and especially because its your child. My point was that The logical conclusion of Robbie's argument was to withhold medical care in order to preserve the strength of the race, and I find that bone chilling that anyone could propose that, and get 5 upvotes
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not at all. I will take advantage of the medical advances that are available to me. Since I already have had my children, the youngest of which is 21, I have no further concern about this.
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sum itch, that's exactly my point, that Robbie thinking its better for weak people to die than to vaccinate them is like denying a diabetic insulin. I agree with you! Life is precious, and we should use medical interventions like vaccines to preserve it. Robbie said we should let the weak die in order to preserve the strength of the race. I don't know how my point was obfuscated.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    ok. I still tell you if I did it. If I disagree I just disagree. no need to down point for disagreements in my opinion
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Once again, you seek to intentionally stick your finger in the eye of others. Why do you feel the need to do so?
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 5 months ago
    The one study that the CDC does not support or do is a simple comparison of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated incidence of autism. The rate for vaccinated/autism is 1 in 68. What is the rate for unvaccinated/autism?

    As to measles ever being an epidemic, 4,000,000 cases per year with 500 deaths per year is a death rate of 0.00125% and as a % of approximately 250,000,000 population, that's 0.000002%. That's a vanishingly small # approaching 0%.

    Polio was a devastating disease--measles is not. Parasitic diseases such as malaria are devastating and we stopped the fight against those. This push for total vaccination is NOT about fighting disease!
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You're now responsible for the survival of the entire species? Do you have kids? They should hear what you're saying.
    did you vote me down?
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, I am. But I am a scientist, nonetheless (well, really an engineer, but I believe in scientific thought). I'm not supporting anti-life.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    creepy ass topic isn't it? I have to say, one of my biggest fears is knowing my son is dependent on a pharma. And strapped to quarterly Dr.s appts (cha ching) to even be able to acquire what he needs (another big cha ching), and he can only get so much in advance. The system is rigged and increasingly expensive. Being at the mercy of others for your survival is rather unhinging. :(
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, I know. But the best medical science during my life has said that I am at risk. I haven't been thusly diagnosed, thank God.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are putting thoughts into my mouth. Of course I would not advocate aborting any child (and you know better). Nor would I advocate withholding medical science from anyone in need. But that said, this is a difficult issue. Are we in so doing degrading the ultimate survival of the species? I think so. This is a difficult moral issue.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks...sounds like a bunch of unrefined statistics they're trying to make sense out of... he was breast fed..and he was diagnosed in August...and live in AZ his whole like (but 5 months)... so most of these don't apply... He did have a run in with strep throat about 6 weeks prior and was given penicillin, which I've heard has also been linked to type 1. ?
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  • Posted by 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would agree that compared to other diseases, measles is not necessarily a large risk. Still hundreds of americans died from measles every year prior to the vaccine. Strengthening of the immune system: on one hand this is a solid argument. doctors want you to get viruses which are not serious. so no need to use anti-bacteria soap. Just wash your hands thoroughly. On the other hand, viruses like measles need a host and they . mutate and strengthen when they hit a healthy host. JAN! where is she when I need her on this post!
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  • Posted by 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    actually, alot of people downvote for anti-reason arguments. I let you know if I am taking away a point.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is also used when the comment is intentionally inflammatory or degrading as well. To such, no rebuttal is necessary.
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