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The New Religion

Posted by khalling 10 years, 5 months ago to Culture
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Certainly, that is the tactic of choice at the prestigious, exclusive Hayground School in Bridgehampton, where an astonishing one-third of typically secular, sophisticated, ultra-liberal parents have, it seems, a “genuine” religious objection to vaccination of their children.

To parents who send their kids to local public schools that doesn’t cut it. A long-established local pediatrician, Gail Schonfeld, now refuses to accept patients the children of parents who won’t permit immunization. She believes in vaccines—in fact, considers them just plain good medical practice—and says if “parents don’t trust me with this, we won’t have a good working relationship.”


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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Type 2 is hereditary... because of genetic weight problems that can bring it on without proper diet and exercise..it can be managed with eating low carbs and exercising..
    Type 1 is insulin dependent.... of course it is also best to be active and eat right, but the need for insulins is always there.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    this argumentation is along the lines of everyone should abort downs syndrome fetuses...
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  • Posted by sumitch 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That sounds much like the Nazis and their perfect race or the Spartans allowing no baby born with a defect to live.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I thought you were catholic not a christian scientist. are you supporting anti-life? Are you suggesting that penicillin kept weaker people alive to add to the gene pool-so therefore it should not be used? are you suggesting cholera should run rampant every few years and wipe out millions of people? what happened to this post?!
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  • Posted by sumitch 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Absolutely no. I've just been diagnosed as pre diabetic. I'd prefer no death sentence thank you very much.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This is like caveman talk. Modern medicine be damned. Who cares about the mind, the body is all that matters I guess.
    You would deny your child modern life saving medicine to make his genetic make up stronger for future generations.... ???
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not what I was told. Type 1 was genetic, type 2 was diet related. I may be wrong, but why else would the diabetic history have been required on the health history?
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    2 of 5 in that generation (my mother, her sister and 3 brothers). I've never been diagnosed with type 1, nor type 2, but that has always weighed on me to manage my diet.
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  • Posted by sumitch 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I remember in the 60.'s in the Army when they were preparing all missile batteries to be "strack" qualified (ready for any place in the world) we were given multiple vaccinations for multiple diseases. We got them with the pressure guns which was interesting. After the vaccinations the battery would be taken off line because history had shown that most of the troops would get sick and unable to work. I forget how many vaccinations each man had to take, but it may have been as many as ten.
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  • Posted by PeterAsher 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks!

    In a debate among group members over a point of disagreement, a down vote is the last refuge of a man without an argument.
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  • Posted by PeterAsher 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You're splitting hairs on your straw man.

    I am just pointing out its not a vaccine.

    More later; I'm burning daylight.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes. And as I said, on the personal level that is very hard to accept. But on a species level, it is necessary. I would not want my child to die from measles, but I had them as a child and did not die. I also had the chicken pox (itched liked hell, and I have pock marks to prove that I had them). But the reality is that by having same and surviving, my progeny are stronger than those who didn't suffer through them and survive and pass along genes that are not strong against those maladies.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Then why were we told over and over again that it's not genetic? Neither of us, or anyone in our families had it prior to our son. They believe it's a virus or something that went haywire and attacked his pancreas.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This is a difficult issue, like many that involve medical implications that involve life. At a personal level, I think that it needs to be addressed. At the species level, it weakens the ability of us to survive long term.

    I say that as one who suffers from "hay fever." I worked on my grandparent's dairy farm every summer from about 8 to 15. This deficiency is certainly a detriment to the gene pool of the species homo-sapiens. I'm happy not to have been eliminated prior to my creation, but am realistic enough to understand that passing along such tendencies to my progeny make them and their subsequent progeny less capable of success.

    Do you suggest that diabetes is a condition that should be propagated?
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is more than type 2. My two uncles had type 1 and I was always checked for it, due to that.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    News to me that type 1 is inherited. That's not at all how it was explained to me. I think you are wrong.... unless you're referring to type 2.
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But the predisposition in inherited. I was trying to make the point that Robbie was saying that we should not have vaccines because only people who are strong enough to survive the diseases should survive, therefore strengthening the race.
    I was trying to point out that if you accept that reasoning, then many medical interventions would not be used.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I disagree. At some point if you are willing to resist reason and ignore expert advice, then that expert can say -sorry, this isn't working out. Ultimately if she is catering to patients who refuse to be vaccinated against say measles, she is endangering other patients when the ones with measles show up for an appt!
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