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Objectivism as Anti-depressant

Posted by davidmcnab 10 years, 2 months ago to Science
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A disturbing proportion of people in the USA take antidepressants on a regular basis - 10% of the adult population average, ranging up to nearly a quarter of women aged 40 and 60.

One of the most depressing things anyone can live with is the belief that they exist for others. This axiom spawns the corollary that no matter how much you do, how hard you work, how much you invent, how much wealth you generate, it'll never be enough. If that's not a big black suffocating wet blanket, please tell me what is.

We recall that uplifting scene in The Fountainhead where Howard Roark hangs up his architect hat for a few hours and becomes a therapist to the sculptor Steven Mallory, delivering an improvised form of therapy not practised by any MD or ClinPsych, and how this snaps Mallory almost instantly out of chronic depression and substance abuse.

So I put forward a conjecture: A significant proportion, maybe the greatest proportion, of the endemic depression we see today is caused by people having lost themselves, by believing they are obligated to live for others; that their mental health can dramatically and permanently improve simply by being taught that it's safe and acceptable to honour themselves; that the most amazing thing they can do to support others is not live for them and bleed to them the fruits of their own labour, but to live for themselves, and set an example proving to others an amazing honourable life is within their reach as well.

Pack this up into a therapeutic protocol and I suggest you'd see antidepressant medication prescriptions and suicide rates plummet overnight.


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  • Posted by dukem 10 years, 2 months ago
    This is for me one the most interesting topics/threads yet.
    I've taken SSRI's on and off for about 15 years (I'm 71) primarily at the request of the women in my life, who do not like what I vehemently assert when I'm off them. I see the world more clearly then, and am more than willing to say it like it is - the truth - and when one's partner is liberal, it makes for fireworks and great discomfort on their part.
    So, why do I have them as partners? A subject for another time, I suppose.
    Suffice it to say that reading the Gulch over the past few years has made a huge difference in my ability to know there are others like me, and it supports my ability to tell the truth, no matter how drugged out I might be on SSRI's.
    So consider this a therapeutic moment for me, until I can finally attain that entry into the Gulch not only of my mind, but also of my geographical location.
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  • Posted by $ Commander 10 years, 2 months ago
    So, what I do, on average, is to purchase 15 copies of The Virtue of Selfishness every year. In my acquaintances I gift these, with specific reference to "The Objectivist's Ethics", contained within. A beautiful 25 page essay that sums the simplicity beyond the complexity of Rand's writings. Understandable word-symbols to explain "Right Relations" (Alice Baily, 1956, The Reappearance of the Christ). This is foundational regarding conscious human interaction. I ask that the recipients question the source of their beliefs, and if they can modify or integrate the concept of self worth / sovereignty / value within this. For about $120 per year I pass on a message....something productive for mind and soul, rather than feeding the conspicuous consumption "machine" of our present culture. So far, I receive about two return contacts per year regarding the growth / change these offerings have made. An excellent ROI. The feedback I get is unilaterally of personal assertion in taking charge of one's life direction and attitude toward these ends.
    "Enthusiasm: You can't beg, borrow, buy it or steal it! You have to catch it! The only way to catch it is to walk with enthusiastic people." (My Dad is a genius)
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  • Posted by wiggys 10 years, 2 months ago
    david,
    you maybe right about 10% of the population taking antidepressants from a doctor, but what percent use alcohol or street drugs for the same reason? 50%?
    That said if objectivism were a cure it would have changed things years ago. keep in mind that AS is only second to the bible as the most influential book read in the USA. now for some reality; in order to comprehend objectivism one must have an education as a base. In the USA today we have a population of primarily uneducated people because the educational system in the USA has deteriorated so badly for almost 100 years. I personally do not see any changes as you would like to see. From comments I have read by Ayn Rand I do not believe she had any hope of a positive change either. Her primary reason was directed towards the educational system which starts at the top, the universities and they are not interested in making any changes, therefore the level of stupidity that they exemplify will continue to be taught.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 10 years, 2 months ago
    But what about the people living in conditions that are really depressive? Oh my god! Where is Sally Struthers? We need anti-depressants for these poor people.

    Paul Hogan (as Crocodile Dundee) said it pretty well.

    These people need to wake the ___ up! The light from another's candle diminishes your none.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Optimism does breed success. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy. However, optimism is sometimes unrealistic. Realism is defined by A = A. Finding the balance between optimism and realism has been a lifelong battle for me.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 2 months ago
    This is an interesting topic. I think I probably fall into j 's camp on this one. Not so much with reaching an Atlantis goal but definitely acknowledging what is going on around us has to be addressed and that it 's rational to be upset about it. Living for oneself is essential to finding happiness and one must take stock in those moments or periods where you can experience the joy in life. But I am often baffled with some over what I call a "zen " objectivism. Basically that everything is wonderful, life couldn 't be better, etc. A positive outlook personally is great. But one can 't just ignore the economics and cultural negatives going on around them.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I do that as much as possible, but the number of looters is so pervasive that it has already killed two of my business startups.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    @fivedollargold I concur. Old people definitely cop the blunt end, feeling our consumerist disposable society pushing them into greater and greater irrelevance. Medical issues aside, this alone would depress most, and could explain at least some of the cognitive decline we see amongst older generations.

    As for the Obushama Administrations, and similarly retarded governments in other parts of the world, to me that reflects the current stupidity and disengagement of the voting population, not exactly uplifting.

    Objectivism with its emphasis on internal attribution and invidivual empowerment can certainly relieve a lot of the angst. We learn to make the f***tards irrelevant and just get on with our lives, creating, striving, trading, and sharing with enlightened people in our lives who we care about.
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  • Posted by fivedollargold 10 years, 2 months ago
    Depression is not the only reason for taking SSRI's (modern antidepressants). They also boost memory a little. Older people tend to be endogenously depressed as well. There is also a group of existentially depressed folk who get down about world events. There are likely a lot of peeps in this situation given the insanity perpetrated by Bush and Obama. This group might be helped greatly by objectivism or at least relevant parts of it.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hi jbrenner, thanks for your honest and sincere response. If it helps at all, I'd say screw the looters and moochers. Make them irrelevant. As Howard Roark replied when Ellsworth Toohey invited him to share his real feelings about him, "I don't think of you at all".
    Meanwhile, the most authentic Atlantis is the temple you construct in your own heart. That will subtly steer you into chance meetings with like-minded people, into weaving a web of fresh new connections and inspirations. The Atlantis you build within will take form without.
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    Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 2 months ago
    Compared to the optimist that I used to be, as I have adopted more Objectivist ways, I have become depressed on occasion. I consider this a rational feeling, because it is in response to the persistent success of looters and moochers. I won't have the same optimism that I once had until Atlantis is built.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    LetsShrug of course you're right, and that's why I speak in terms of proportion, not across the board. The latter category you mention is particularly interesting, though. Many of these 'oversensitives' are dysfunctional purely because they're in the wrong situation. Some will come right if you put them in a leadership role. Others will blossom if you put them in front of a canvas or an AutoCAD terminal, etc.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 2 months ago
    That may true for many and I think you're on to something, but I've known some "depressed" people who are just mad that life is hard, or they think others owe them something and don't think they should have to lift a finger for the responsibilities that they've made for themselves. Or drug addicts that milk the system by claiming mental illness to get an ssi check. Or some who are so overly sensitive they can barely function.
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