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Obama's prayer breakfast with a side of Christian guilt.

Posted by LetsShrug 9 years, 2 months ago to Government
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Unless we get on our high horse and think that this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ," Obama said. "In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ."


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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago
    So that justifies the muslims for their jihad. After all, everyone else does it.....
    Obama IS a muslim I think. He seems to defend them a lot.
    I wonder if lying is ok in whatever religion he subscribes to, or he is just conveniently forgetting to be truthful
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  • Posted by $ splumb 9 years, 2 months ago
    " Throughout history, people calling themselves Christians had done terrible things too. The difference, David concluded, was that the Muslims waging violent jihad were actually OBEYING the Qur'an's commands to kill the infidels, while people who said they were Christians but killed or mistreated Jews, Muslims or others were explicitly DISOBEYING the teachings of Jesus.
    It was Mohammed, after all, who told his followers things like “Jews and Christians are the ones whom God has cursed, and he whom God excluded from His mercy, you shall never vine one to help and save him: and “Kill them wherever you may come upon them, and seize them, and confine the, and lie in wait for them at every conceivable place.”
    Yet is was Jesus who told his disciples, “You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.; But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.” "
    – Joel C Rosenberg, “The Tehran Initiative”
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  • Posted by NealS 9 years, 2 months ago
    The riots in Ferguson aren't that big of a deal, Los Angeles had a better riot in Watts.

    Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer, also known as the Milwaukee Cannibal, was an American serial killer and sex offender, who committed the rape, murder and dismemberment of 17 men and boys between 1978 and 1991. No big deal, they should have let him go free. After all, Hamilton Howard "Albert" Fish, a.k.a. "The Gray Man", was an American cannibalistic serial killer, rapist, and pedophile who targeted children in the 1920s.

    So there, doesn't that justify what ISIS is doing today? Should we not just ignore them and let them just do their thing?
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  • Posted by wmiranda 9 years, 2 months ago
    When were the Crusades and how many were there? Four, five? What was the purpose of the Crusades? Are terrible deeds being committed these day in the name of Christ? How many and where? The U.S. has been fighting, in one way or another, Islamic crazies since President Jefferson.

    On the other hand, for the past over 1500 years, and to this day, Islam has been, actively committing "terrible deeds", conquering and at war with the entire world.

    Finally, our "christian president" doesn't seem to be able to differentiate between "terrible deeds" committed by earthly men and what Christ actually said. He has no problem defending Islam, when in fact the Koran is filled with violent instructions against infidels and people of the book (Jews and Christians).
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  • Posted by RonC 9 years, 2 months ago
    We are, or at least were, unique in the world. The big O approaches all things from the world's point of view, and particularly what the world thinks of him.

    Here's a news flash Mr. Obama. You were not elected President of the world. You were elected to develop and exercise the American point of view in world affairs. Considering what the world thinks of us is a losing strategy. We will always cower under the weight of their criticism. This is not in America's best interest.
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  • Posted by rbunce 9 years, 2 months ago
    What the President said about the Crusades and Inquisition was correct. Is the issue that he did not include the many other atrocities committed by folks in the name of other religions or that he commented on it at all?
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    • Posted by Snoogoo 9 years, 2 months ago
      It is all about the context. Have you ever heard someone try to minimize the severity of something bad they did by comparing it to something else when really the two situations have nothing to do with one another? It is a common method used by people to avoid the reality and consequences of their actions. I've seen people do it way to many times to not recognize it right away. Usually these people are delusional to the detriment of themselves and those around them.
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    • Posted by wiggys2 9 years, 2 months ago
      this lunatic uses every opportunity he can to stick a knife into the USA. he has constantly demonstrated that he simply does not think, never new how and therefore he never will. just think he has a knack for pissing off every judeo christain in the country or world if he could and did.
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  • Posted by RevJay4 9 years, 2 months ago
    Prior to his first "election", I perused "his" books. I recall thinking that if this person "o" gets elected to the highest office in the land, we are in deep doo-doo.
    Now he has lifted the veil of his deception as to who he truly is, a muslim cheerleader at the least and possibly a full blown supporter of their aims of world domination.
    And it ain't over. Next two years are gonna be a bumpy ride for this nation. Hang on.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 9 years, 2 months ago
    The terrible deeds that were committed during the Crusades by Christians were committed in response to the horrors being committed by Muslims in the first place..
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  • Posted by m1tmc 9 years, 2 months ago
    I try to show respect for the religious that show respect for their religion; that denounce those distorting their religion; that openly support bringing to justice those that commit atrocities in the name of religion... Why should I respect any religion who's participants allow or promote any kind of terrorism?... If I am a Christian supporting those that bomb abortion clinics, am I respecting my own religion?... Why should I ask anyone else to do that which I won't?..... If I am muslim and refuse to denounce those muslims that commit terrorism in the name of Islam, am I deserving of respect?? ....Or, should I show respect for those that commit terrorist acts in the name of Islam as it IS written in the Quran to commit those acts??? Which is it Mr President, you have studied the Quran?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago
    I'm trying to justify the tenets of the First Amendment with a Prayer Breakfast. Apparently that portion of the Presidential Oath has not yet been visited by the Supreme Court. Not that it isn't true - just incomplete. Of the nine monotheistic religions it applies to some extent to all but one. A classic example of a lesser of two evils set which upon examination means support of one, the other, or all eight only makes the speech maker a supporter of evil. /Red Herring! Get behind me.
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  • Posted by JoleneMartens1982 9 years, 2 months ago
    OK, I am not sure that I agree that we should go to war with Isis. There is a great part of me that pleads for justice for those who have been brutally slain and their families. However, isn't the reason for the slayings that we are meddling in their affairs in the first place? So shouldn't we then simply withdraw our soldiers to stop the retaliation? Or would we be better off withdrawing our soldiers and as many innocents as possible, and ending their existence?
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    • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago
      How do you determine innocents? And at who's expense do you withdraw them
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      • Posted by JoleneMartens1982 9 years, 2 months ago
        Very good points. I am definitely not the person to answer your questions or my own. But I believe these are questions thatour so called leaders should be asking and answering. Another thing that should be considered is these people are there, knowing the dangers they face. They are there willingly. God bless them for wanting to help, but they knew the dangers. I believe war would only be a consideration if they were kidnapping on American soil. Just my opinion.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 2 months ago
    I utterly repudiate Barack Hussein Obama II, alias Barry Soetoro, now and forever, as a spokeman for me or for Christianity. I don't even think he is a Christian as he has sometimes claimed.

    I suppose this claim might strike some as original. The usual model of "Christian guilt" is guilt over having means while others don't have means. He has pronounced all Christians guilty of murder. And he defends a society that does all four of the "invasion-worthy things" Rand condemned: execution without trial, detention without charge, a "lobster-trap border," and censorship.

    The United States can and should declare war against this so-called Islamic State, which is not merely a slave pen but also a den of murderers, of men who kill other men for sport.
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  • Posted by wealthsaver 9 years, 2 months ago
    There were 540 major battles over 400 years pre dark ages in the outlying region (specifically lower Europe today) with the spread of the Islamic Caliphate..over 1 million European slaves were taken mostly from Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece to be used for whatever, really bad for the women of course.. the nation states were taken by brutal force and the people subjected to a new religion based on violence, the region by this time had peacefully turned form Paganism to Christianity..through the spoken word of God and the Church not through violence.

    Although the Crusades were brutal as all war is, it was done to free the Christian lands from the Islamic conquorers and less than 15 crusades happened mostly at old Christian held forts... so when BO said what he did, it was historically inaccurate.

    Also the challenge with that thinking is no christian man has killed out of violence another person whereby the other christian men/women haven't stood up to quickly put away the evil doer.. That is the problem with the 1% of Islamic zealots..the rest of the religion from within has to route out and destroy the evil cancer within their religion.. if they don't it will be civil war in the Europen nations within 10 years due to Sharia law and no travel zones within their nations due to political and religious cowardice which runs rampant today.

    Remember if you let immigrants in, make sure their population growth is the same as yours if not within 2 generations based on the original amount of immigrants left in they will overtake your culture..this is what you see in Europe and now the Americas with an average of 1.2 to 1.6 population growth per resident versus a population growth of greater than 1.8 with the immigrants... let a million in and in 20 years its alot more people to deal with what they want..
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 2 months ago
    Unlike Islam, Christianity has made a bit of progress in the last one thousand years or so. The jihadists justify their actions by the holiness of the barbarism of a time when barbarism was the norm. For Obama to compare and justify the actions of the religion-that-is-not-to-be-named to the actions of other religions is ludicrous, and disgraceful.

    At this point, I am glad that there is no possibility of me being in his presence because I would shout such invective at him until the Secret Service hauled me away. I'm also glad I wasn't watching TV when he spoke this stuff as I probably would have thrown something at the TV and I just bought a new one.
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 2 months ago
    From the excerpts I read in an article (not the full text) I strongly support his talk. He's representing US values to the world. I'm proud of his message.

    That being said, he's a politician; he's supposed to be a good talker. When it comes to the talk he gave, he was saying all the right things.
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    • Posted by Animal 9 years, 2 months ago
      No. He was saying all the wrong things. He was reaching back 800 years to try to establish a moral equivalency that doesn't exist. He's a lousy historian, a worse theologian and a profoundly ignorant man. You can't draw moral equivalency between modern Christianity and Islam; trying to do so is a fool's errand.

      Full disclosure: I'm an atheist.
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    • Posted by TahoeDagney 9 years, 2 months ago
      Reagan was a great talker & talked a lot of the “right things”.
      Obama is a great talker & talks a lot of the “right things”.

      The size, power and wealth of the State grew a lot during Reagan’s time in power … at the expense of your & my wealth, power and freedom.

      The size, power and wealth of the State grew a lot during Obama’s time in power … at the expense of your & my wealth, power and freedom.

      Does the Thug-Replacement Program (aka, voting out the bad guys & replacing them with the good guys) ever work? I don’t think so. ‘twould seem more likely that the problem is the myth that we need the State at all. It took me 40 years of study, research & observation to graduate from Rand’s utopian minarchist myth to the voluntaryism of the Win-Win Free-Market Stateless Society idea.

      Anyone else in the Gulch seriously considering that concept?
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