Health Insurance Sometimes Borders on a Racket

Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 3 months ago to Economics
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We took our kid to a doctor for a minor but persistent respiratory problems. The doc suggested two possible diagnostic tests. We asked some questions about whether the results would affect which interventions we used. I thought the results may or may not be of some use, so I asked what it would cost. He said something like, “Oh no, do you have to pay for medicine [outside of health plan premiums]?” We told him yes, but the cost would not be a burden for us at all. We talked through it and we all decided the tests wouldn't affect the treatment and would only be worthwhile if someone else were paying for it.

This is the THIRD TIME in the past four years a doctor has suggested something that costs several thousand dollars and withdrew the suggestion after we took a moment to work through a quick-and-dirty cost/benefit analysis.

There was an opposite example with my wife's pregnancy. The doc started to say we could have so many ultrasound tests and then said, “oh wait, you're private pay. Nevermind. You can have them every day if you want. They're $183 each.”

These insurance plans that insure against every little trifling expenditure are a gravy train for providers. They start with people wanting to turn over responsibility for managing expenses to a company or gov't.

People should be free to make stupid health decisions, like my decision to indulge in Taco Bell and other unhealthful habits.


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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So instead of "taking a little sip of poison" you allowed your fellow voters to give you a big swig?
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A vote for unworthy candidates is a waste. Compromise is evil. It makes you an accomplice against your own life and happiness. And then you'll complain like you didn't sanction it.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you Emma. And where could you go? There is no place. Certainly not within the US. Nor anywhere else that you could be left alone. There was a discussion here a few months ago about a Gulch project (my friend Brenner was a chief proponent, and I applaud their effort). I don't see it being reasonably feasible in the world today.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't agree. The problem is that there are many more people of capability but suspect ethics. There are far too many Robert Stadlers in the world than AS ever accounted for. Enough, so as to stave off turning off the engine, and merely perverting it to the ends of the tyrants. That is the real issue. There are enough who are willing to live in oppression so long as they get just a bit more than others (or even that nobody else gets any more than do they).
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And what has Gary Johnson or any other non-D/R given you? Nothing, since they do not have any power.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Will you keep cg and his ilk out? Because your Atlantis will suffocate quickly if you allow that in. No matter how much you inherit.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I only downvote for ad hominem or meltdown. Ask CG if he not only will donate to Hillary's campaign but would like to have an active role in fundraising. Ask him if he and his wife are even interested being singled out in an advisory capacity.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If there were a gulch, John galt would not invite the likes of CG so... no, he wouldn't ask him to justify anything because he wouldn't be there in the first place.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I had saved and invested enough to retire 12 or 13 years ago, if I could have assumed a 5% ROI from then on. Thanks to the Federal Reserve, that is no longer a safe assumption.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    you already know that I voted for Romney. I have said it on this site multiple times. I also said that I am done doing that. I do not have to use my vote to support a two party system (which is really one party-like buying those green cokes with stevia-there's still sugar in them)
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    well the gulch was invitation only...I think openly speculating on a person's motives for being on a site where they at times cause confusion and argue the antithesis of Objectivism as a primary focus is fair game. The contradictions should be glaring, a checking of a premise rational.
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    jbrenner, in some ways I envy you. From a financial point of view, I could shrug, but my standard of living would go way down, and I enjoy the things that money buys. Also, what I do is so much of who I am, and I love it so much, I just can't yet see my way clear to letting go.
    When I was 16 and read Atlas, I just couldn't understand why Dagny couldn't let go. Now I do.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    exactly. as a matter of fact, I think robbie should answer that as well, since he has not read any Rand.
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Why does anyone think I am asking for justification? I was only asking out of curiosity because I don't understand and would like to.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have much in common with Dagny, but less so every day. When my parents pass away (likely in the next year), I will have enough money to shrug completely.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    AS is closer to non-fiction now than it has ever been, and if things get bad enough, I know how to build my own Atlantis.
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