Health Insurance Sometimes Borders on a Racket

Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 3 months ago to Economics
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We took our kid to a doctor for a minor but persistent respiratory problems. The doc suggested two possible diagnostic tests. We asked some questions about whether the results would affect which interventions we used. I thought the results may or may not be of some use, so I asked what it would cost. He said something like, “Oh no, do you have to pay for medicine [outside of health plan premiums]?” We told him yes, but the cost would not be a burden for us at all. We talked through it and we all decided the tests wouldn't affect the treatment and would only be worthwhile if someone else were paying for it.

This is the THIRD TIME in the past four years a doctor has suggested something that costs several thousand dollars and withdrew the suggestion after we took a moment to work through a quick-and-dirty cost/benefit analysis.

There was an opposite example with my wife's pregnancy. The doc started to say we could have so many ultrasound tests and then said, “oh wait, you're private pay. Nevermind. You can have them every day if you want. They're $183 each.”

These insurance plans that insure against every little trifling expenditure are a gravy train for providers. They start with people wanting to turn over responsibility for managing expenses to a company or gov't.

People should be free to make stupid health decisions, like my decision to indulge in Taco Bell and other unhealthful habits.


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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    They're ALL progressive, Rocky. Especially that Jeb of yours. That's the whole point. There is no voting "against" it. If there were I'd vote then.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Be careful about your criteria. ;-)
    Not sure that all here who are "likable" will meet the threshold of the majority.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I know that I have made some sacrifices for my kids, although they have not been major or often. When I do something that is a joyous expression of my values or even scolding / punishment of my kids (an upholding of my values, albeit not a pleasant one), those are not sacrifices.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This is a discussion that I've had every election cycle. There's a rapid death and a slower one. There are too many that seem to think that a strike is actually possible and will work. They want to think that a demise will bring about some new renaissance. All it will do in reality is solidify a new tyranny. I choose to fight 'til my dying breath. I just wish I didn't also have to fight against their headwinds.
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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    " If YOU force it upon me via YOUR vote then you're the murderer...not me."

    That is a two sided sword: if you force upon me to endure Progressive leadership, because you refuse to vote against it...then "you're the murderer, not me.
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Jbrenner, whenever I have done something for my children instead of for myself, that was never a sacrifice. It was a joyous expression of my values. I was doing what I knew was right, and that made me happy.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What... I will never again sanction any poison by voting for someone who is the lesser of two evils. If YOU force it upon me via YOUR vote then you're the murderer...not me.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm confused...what's the sticking point? And how do you differ from a strict objectivist? (Sorry about your parents :(.. )
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If you don't believe it, you need to rid it from vocabulary. I'm just having a little fun.
    Dealing with ailing parents, as khalling and many others can tell you, is no fun. One area that I struggle with AR's ideals is with familial relationships. I love my parents, wife, and kids. John Galt would say that I am not sacrificing for them; rather I am exchanging values, albeit perhaps belatedly with my parents or in anticipation of a future relationship with my kids. However, I am quite sure that my parents would tell me that they sacrificed a lot for me. I am repaying that in part now, but I'm not sure it is even possible to exchange equal value to what your parents gave to you. Pardon me for being a little mushy here, but for me, this is a sticking point between where I am and being a strict Objectivist.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It still sounded terrible :(
    You thought I didn't have a 'g'? what? OH..never mind...I don't...IT'S.AN.EXPRESSION. Christ Almighty!
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody had decided not to see."

    DING DING DING DING DING DING!
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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "...who clearly does not openly promote socialism and does not promote large and intrusive gov't more than other candidate. "

    (Buzzer goes off)
    'Oh...sorry, wrong answer!"
    Remember Joe the Plumber? Obama made national news telling him that "when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."
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  • Posted by Technocracy 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Since neither party wants to reduce intrusiveness or cost, they keep up their facades to preserve the status quo of continual expansion.

    The only real difference is around the edges on where they want to spend non-entitlement monies.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sorry CG, the only reason he doesn't openly promote socialism is he prefers deception as the front for everything he does.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And HMOs are turning out to be all that is offered now in a lot of cases.

    I personally always prefer PPOs, but that has become a rare option in my part of the country.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thought this was a sight for fans of AS. If you need to be an Objectivist, there are plenty of echo chambers out there for those types.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "I wonder what CG's purpose is. Care to answer, CG? "
    There are so many levels to answer it on.
    - I imagine some people here have traits of characters in Fountainhead or AS, people who refuse to be denied making stuff happen, and people not making stuff happen b/c it's their life and they don't have to.
    - I have a strong fantasy of people forming a Gulch, going off to live deliberately and be left alone. It would be kind of like how the US was formed, based partly on ideas that were mostly a philosophical fantasy, but they became real and became the model of gov't around the world. I imagine Gulches forming an leading a post-state world based on ideas that seem impossible now.
    - The website is a nice place to take break and talk about something unrelated to work.
    - Every once in a while I see some new idea to think about.
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  • Posted by sdesapio 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Someone should create a post and ask the Gulch the question, "If not a fan of Rand, why are you here?"

    Hint, hint.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are quite accurate about the number of Robert Stadlers, not to mention Floyd Ferrises and other vermin.

    It is time to start working on that Gulch of mine.
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