Health Insurance Sometimes Borders on a Racket

Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 3 months ago to Economics
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We took our kid to a doctor for a minor but persistent respiratory problems. The doc suggested two possible diagnostic tests. We asked some questions about whether the results would affect which interventions we used. I thought the results may or may not be of some use, so I asked what it would cost. He said something like, “Oh no, do you have to pay for medicine [outside of health plan premiums]?” We told him yes, but the cost would not be a burden for us at all. We talked through it and we all decided the tests wouldn't affect the treatment and would only be worthwhile if someone else were paying for it.

This is the THIRD TIME in the past four years a doctor has suggested something that costs several thousand dollars and withdrew the suggestion after we took a moment to work through a quick-and-dirty cost/benefit analysis.

There was an opposite example with my wife's pregnancy. The doc started to say we could have so many ultrasound tests and then said, “oh wait, you're private pay. Nevermind. You can have them every day if you want. They're $183 each.”

These insurance plans that insure against every little trifling expenditure are a gravy train for providers. They start with people wanting to turn over responsibility for managing expenses to a company or gov't.

People should be free to make stupid health decisions, like my decision to indulge in Taco Bell and other unhealthful habits.


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  • Posted by $ winterwind 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Rocky - if you can't affect the outcome anyway, why not vote for the moral choice [which may mean casting a blank]? You can do the wrong thing, and get audited, or you can do the right thing, and get audited.
    What is the difference? It's inside your head.
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  • Posted by $ winterwind 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    LS: YES!
    I want to be able to look that person in the mirror in the eyes every morning and not be ashamed.
    did I say YES!!!!!?
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  • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well said LS. I am in total agreement.

    "I will not help you to pretend that I have a chance. I will not help you to preserve an appearance of righteousness where rights are not recognised. I will not help you to preserve an appearance of rationality by entering a debate in which a gun is the final argument. I will not help you to pretend that you are administering justice."
    "But the law compels you to volunteer a defence!"
    There was laughter at the back of the courtroom.
    "That is the flaw in your theory, gentlemen," said Rearden gravely, "and I will not help you out of it. If you choose to deal with men by means of compulsion, do so. But you will discover that you need the voluntary co-operation of your victims, in many more ways than you can see at present. And your victims should discover that it is their own volition - which you cannot force - that makes you possible. I choose to be consistent and I will obey you in the manner you demand. Whatever you wish me to do, I will do it at the point of a gun. If you sentence me to jail, you will have to send armed men to carry me there - I will not volunteer to move. If you fine me, you will have to seize my property to collect the fine - I will not volunteer to pay it. If you believe that you have the right to force me - use your guns openly. I will not help you to disguise the nature of your action." Hank Rearden
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  • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We are in agreement on this. He received over a million votes. Not enough to get elected, but at least there were that many people who refused to just hold their nose and vote for the chosen ones.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh pahleeze..we aren't quoting Mick Jagger now.. blaht.
    Why would it be a huge argument? "I'm not going. these birthday parties are becoming ridiculous, it's way too expensive and I need some time to myself because I'm a human being and sometimes humans need time alone." Kids NEED to know and appreciate that fact. A loving relationship recognizes that too. Respect. Sometimes..what you want IS what you need. (In the grand scheme of things, we all need some solitude.)
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 2 months ago
    When you choose to enter into a loving relationship (in this case, with your kids), sometimes a small sacrifice is better than a huge argument over something that is not all that significant in the grand scheme of things. Mick Jagger once said, "You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you get what you need."
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'll shrug. Some things just can't be fixed once they get to a certain point. The only thing left to do is get out of the way.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So far I don't think Walker is a progressive sell out, but I have yet to do my homework on him. Too early in the game.
    Rocky, that is your error, and that is also my point. The real world is NOT an infinite shade of gray. Everything IS black and white. There is a right and there is a wrong. Half right is still half wrong..it's the wrong that poisons the whole well, even if it might be perceived as being diluted wrong. Wrong is still wrong, big or little. We are where we are today because of that very way of thinking. Oh we'll just compromise on this and that and before you know it we're sitting on the edge of a cliff asking "how'd we get here". Because we let the wrong IN. Every corrupt thing (schools, business, people) if you follow it all backward to where things started to go bad...it's when the compromising with the wrong crept into the equation. And once it's in...it grows and grows and grows... just like the government.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are. If two progressives are the choice, then that's a false choice and I refuse to participate. If there's another rational choice then I'll vote for that one. Doing anything else would make me a fool, and a sell out, and a capitulator in my own destruction. There is no gray area. Do you choose death by hanging or death by guillotine? Come one, pick one, it's your choice. (?!) Either is choosing death when MY real preferred choice is to live. Sure, they'll kill me anyway, but it won't be because I decided which method for them. THEY are the murderers...not me. I can't control what they do I can only choose what I do. I don't answer to them, I answer to myself.
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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's not even close to being true, and you know it.
    You keep looking for black and white, while the real world is an infinite shade of gray.
    What if Scott Walker gets the nod?? Is he a progressive sellout, too??
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Shouldn't have gone. That's that obligated crap that you don't have to do. Plus it's too expensive. Why did you chose to do that? Be brutally honest.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Going to a kid's birthday party where you know absolutely no one"
    I try not to do something like this for my kids grudgingly. If I experience vicarious joy from my kids, that's not grudging. I avoid doing it b/c that's what people think good parents do.

    It reminds me the bible passage where Jesus says fasting for God isn't really for God if you walk around letting everyone know how pious your fasting is.

    I don't believe in religion at all, but some of its ideas are part of my me.

    Anyway, I say we're sometimes tempted to grudgingly do something for someone, but this altruism is no benefit to the giver or receiver.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And by your action, or inaction, you guarantee your destruction. Who's the bigger fool?
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Example: Going to a kid's birthday party where you know absolutely no one, and really don't want to know any of them. Back when my kids were 6 and 4, they averaged 2 such birthday parties per week! I never got time to myself at all.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The great thing if you build Atlantis is that you get to do or at least approve the invitations. ;)
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You did this against your happiness? A sacrifice isn't a sacrifice if it brings value to you. If the act is against your happiness why did you do it? Maybe I need examples to understand.
    I have kids too. I chose to. I never felt like I was sacrificing anything I willingly gave up to be their parent. It's totally counter productive to being a good parent and example.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The problem I have in being a strict Objectivist is that I think it is perfectly OK for a parent to sacrifice for the eventual success of his/her offspring. Most of the time, it is not a sacrifice, but sometimes it is a sacrifice. There are many times that I did something for family members because they wanted it. It was not that big a sacrifice each time, but cumulatively, it meant that our kids became a much higher priority than my wife and me. That has changed some, as the kids have matured, but I have definitely lived a good part of my life for other people. And I am totally OK with my own values, but John Galt wouldn't be. I am guessing that many people here in the Gulch would say that they have lived a significant part of their lives for others. This is what makes Dagny's character so powerful.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And you have increasingly been using such expressions - methinks merely to irritate others.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I used to buy into that slower boat theory too. I will not jump into any boat headed in that direction. But those who vote for that will force me to get what they deserve.
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