That's a very well written article, and persuasive. I can't see why anyone would unfriend you for it, even if they held a different opinion.

Isn't there also something about how a woman who is raped should marry her rapist, and feel privileged that her honor has been saved by doing so? I think some of that Old Testament advice never was valid.

All these attacks on "blasphemers" like Charlie Hebdo have convinced me -- EVERY belief should be laughed at, freely and often, and in fact I'd like to see an annual holiday for the purpose. I propose April Fools Day. Laughter is the best weapon against extremism of all kinds, not least because it will provoke bad guys to come out of the woodwork and attack their opponents, after which they can be locked up or deported.

"Homosexuality could be caused by gender confusion..." Yup, and it could be caused by winter following autumn.

It's very kind of you, though, to offer your pity for my condition. Man deserves condemnation for his beliefs or his actions, not for something he has no more control over than the color of his eyes.

"all Objectivists are atheist"
That's a can of worms, but I don't think it's true. IMHO you can be an Objectivist and a religious moderate. My knowledge of Objectivism, though, comes only from reading AS and Fountainhead, so I could easily be wrong.

I may be mistaken but I'm going to claim that this forum is frequented mainly by Objectivists, and all Objectivists are atheist; it is a self-fulfilling requirement.

In light of that fact, then, your quotations from one of the most poorly written pieces of pure fantasy in the entire world are meaningless here.

I don't suggest you need anyone's approval for how close you want to get to your roommate.

But I was speaking of anti-discrimination laws. You don't want to suggest supporting those, do you? They would violate the central tenets of Objectivist political philosophy, which emphasized liberty.

You still keep saying choice, which is idiotic. I have no opinion regarding ancient Greece but I certainly have knowledge of today.

Regarding "forcing others to affirm that choice [sic]," I have no need of your approval or anyone else's. And your condescending explanation of the right to associate is insulting. I can assure you that you are the exact kind of @$$4073 with whom I would spend a great deal of time not associating.

Did you really just call homosexuality "deviant sexuality?" Be thankful that we were not in the same room when you said that.

Not ignorance. History repeatedly attests to the prevalence of homosexuality in ancient Greece. That, is a choice.

I don't question your choice. I do question the nasty habit some people have--hopefully outside this community--of forcing others to affirm that choice.

Hint: the right to associate includes the right not to associate, for any good reason, bad reason, or no reason.

With a name like Temlakos I guess you know more than I about the percentage of Greeks who were homosexuals in the past.

As for "excuse that male homosexuals usually offer for their behavior, " you can be sure that I have never offered an excuse to anyone. No excuse is required as it's really nobody's business. I also find your startling lack of knowledge about homosexuality to be tedious. What excuse do you offer for your stupendous ignorance?

But it made for good story. Just a little ok maybe a lot of dramatic license. Still, an entertaining and inspiring film. At times.

+1 for hilarity. ;)

If the issue here is moviemakers taking license with the truth, then all I can say is "Grow up." Since when do we go to a commercially made movie to learn history. In order to be commercially successful, many stories need a little spice, whether it is a cause, a scandal, or some new mechanical process. So, the film, while generally adhering to the major truths, doctored up some parts of Turing's life. Nothing to get your panties in a knot about.

I often am called the "Winston Churchill of Objectivism" for fighting to save the movement from the fascists.

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For the record, I have not seen this movie yet.

That said, Turing was a homosexual and prosecuted for that behavior. Said behavior being illegal at the time. You can not tell the whole story of Turing and leave that out. And since he killed himself by biting a poisoned apple, that is a segment too dramatic to leave out of a movie.

Criticize it all you want to.

We do still have freedom of speech in this country although the left is doing their best to restrict it to only speech they agree with.

But what about the inuendo of traitor? That seems pretty unnecessary

I thought water closet

Powerful critique and well researched. I have not seen the movie. I was originally ok with introducing some russian spies, but didn 't realize the plot used them in a way to suggest Turing a traitor. Despicable

I'm not so sure about that.

I reject, by the way, the biogenetic behavioral determinism that is the excuse that male homosexuals usually offer for their behavior.

I suggest sexual preferences are far more malleable than people suppose, especially in women. Feminists have known this for years. And in the Eighties and Nineties, at least, they were actively recruiting women into a female-homosexual lifestyle and a politic of "abjur[ing] tyrannic Man," to paraphrase Gilbert and Sullivan. Even today, I suspect a considerable proportion of women, especially teens and young adults, are bisexual, and actively considering which way to go. Sappho of Lesbos, I am convinced, was bisexual, as the surviving fragments of her work, as quoted by Will Durant in "The Life of Greece," show.

I further remind the body that the prevalence of homosexuality, at least among men, in ancient Greece reached fifty percent. This when young men had to agree to "service" older men as "tuition" for being taught rhetoric. Which was the ancient Greek equivalent of law school.

Unfortunately, too few people nowadays read, especially serious and critical literature, and too many get their "knowledge" from the movies. Intended for the later type of audience, this is a pure propaganda, driven by the progressive agenda where the end justifies the means.

Yep, the homosexual layer of the story is noisy and dampens away what really makes an outstanding character of Turing : his contribution to computer science.
The movie had an interesting beginning, which led the viewer to expect to see more about the world-changing nature of Turing's advances, but the last part was much too focused on his deviant sexuality, with only a hint of what was achieved.
For example, what to make of the movie title, "The imitation game" ? Only alluded to in the first part, but no real life example given later on, especially with modern systems being more and more able to pass it (see "Eugene Gootsman" last summer, which is very, very close)... When the end credit rolls, I somehow doubt that most of viewer will have any idea of what it is.
Let's face it : it appears this movie was cattering too much to the SJW crowd and almost pushing Turing's real genius under the rug.
What a waste...

If Rand had lived another 20 years I'm sure she would have updated a few things. As I read (I forget which book) she made some factual statements that reflected scientific knowledge at the time but is now outdated. I expect she would have made a similar adjustment with regard to homosexuality.