No civics test? No diploma.

Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 3 months ago to Culture
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This really appeals to me. Let's see how many of our high schoolers - and by virtue of instruction their teachers - know the Constitution.

I think we ought to impose something like this on anyone who wants to hold office or work for the Federal Government.
SOURCE URL: http://www.azfamily.com/home/Arizona-passes-law-requiring-students-to-pass-civics-test-288753801.html


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  • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 3 months ago
    Oh no, I didn't know who the current governor of Arizona was...

    The critics say it's a bad thing because it requires "rote memorization" - I think it would be a damned good thing if kids had to memorize at least 100 things about our government... maybe when the government decided to step on liberties, something would click in their minds and they'd not follow the wolves like sheep.
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    • Posted by jimjamesjames 9 years, 3 months ago
      I have a Masters and Doctorate in Education. There is nothing wrong with memorization. Memorization provides the "building blocks" to understanding, the "bricks in the wall," if you will, to putting it all together. The "but it's only memorized" canard is the scam that promotes "but they must UNDERSTAND" without giving a foundation from which to understand.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 3 months ago
    Agree with edweaver. The 'civics' that is taught bears little resemblance to the political corporatocracy system that makes debt serfs of most people and gives a voice to very few.
    With "all due respect", this test is lip service only.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 3 months ago
      "corporatocracy"? You sound like a lefty, not one of us.
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      • Posted by khalling 9 years, 3 months ago
        You mean that collective group? I think he is referring to Central Banking and crony Big Business. We do not operate in pure capitalism after all. Plenty of businesses abuse this and deserve criticism
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      • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 3 months ago
        A lot of AS was showing how corporatocracy corrupts free markets and uses government to do it. As khalling pointed out, my gripe is with looters, whether they are corporations getting advantages from government (banksters are a good example) or their government puppets. Productive businesses (like Rearden Steel in AS) don't need favors, they can compete on merit and they don't waste funding for government favors, but sometimes they have to fund intelligence agents to try to avoid being blind sided by those who use government to compete.
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        • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 3 months ago
          I agree that cronyism dominates our system. But I don't see anyone being made "debt serfs" by businesses. If that happens it's either the tax man, or their own fault.
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          • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 3 months ago
            Fractional reserve banking as currently practiced by the us fed only creates money by creating debt, but expects debtors to pay back principle (created) and interest (not created.) This means that there is not enough money to pay the debt off. Some debtors by definition will not be able to pay the debt regardless of their effort. This is designed into the system. That's why i call them debt serfs.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 9 years, 3 months ago
    I also missed the question on the current governor of Arizona but seeing as I live in Texas that is forgivable.

    As a high school algebra teacher I see one small problem with this suggestion. All of the high schools that I have had experience with dump their coaches into those teaching positions. Not trying to pigeon hole them as dumb jocks and some of those teachers are able to handle this but MANY would require MASSIVE changes to adjust.

    Please do not mistake me in this, I think this would be a good thing, but it would require effort that I doubt they (the schools) are willing to give.
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  • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 3 months ago
    While this sounds like a good idea on the surface, the questions that were asked are easy to study. IMHO they hold little value in what this country is about. If the questions make them read the Constitution and answer questions specifically about it they would have more value and may help move us in the right direction.
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    • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 3 months ago
      Reading the Constitution followed by an exam (with in-depth questions better than like than how many amendments do we have) should be a requirement
      in all 50 states. Do this during the senior high school year.
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  • Posted by tohar1 9 years, 3 months ago
    We are PROUDLY doing the same thing here in North Dakota, but we are adding a FULL semester focused on The Constitution as well. I just hope we end up with the majority of teachers doing it justice--giving the students the information in a way that not only do they understand, but also are able to apply it to their future as well!!
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 3 months ago
    if the students are given the information of what is on the test during the teaching year maybe they will learn something about the country. However, I would like to see the first test questions.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 3 months ago
    I have been saying for years that a requirement for running or being appointed to any of the three branches of government would be the need for the person in question to pass a test on the Constitution. And while they're at it, a test on economics and history. I doubt that many would pass. Perhaps a judge or two, a couple of congressmen, and a couple of senators. Definitely no one in the executive branch.
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  • Posted by InfamousEric 9 years, 3 months ago
    Though I'm all for high school kids knowing & UNDERSTANDING the Constitution.

    Why would a LAW be required to make this happen?

    This seems like a Statist solution.
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    • Posted by helidrvr 9 years, 3 months ago
      You're right, it is absolutely a statist move towards implementation of the Common Core curriculum. It is not up to you or me to tell other parents what to teach their children, or up to others to tell you or me what to teach ours. Remember always that your reasoned opinion of "understanding" something may be very different from theirs.
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  • Posted by helidrvr 9 years, 3 months ago
    This civics test requirement is just one more piece of Common Core and the effort to brainwash your children into becoming mindlessly obedient drones. It makes me want to throw up.

    Below is a gripping 2 hour video which I challenge any one of you to watch to the end. It will change your outlook on the public school system forever and possibly encourage you to save your children's lives.

    http://youtu.be/Si-kx5-MKSE
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  • Posted by paturpin 9 years, 3 months ago
    when I was in school at least they attempted to teach us about government, how it works,how and why we have the form of government we do, it seems like a no
    brainer that this would be included in our education today, but then there isn't much brain power being used in the education system now
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    • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 3 months ago
      The problem is that government only approves teaching the 'civics' that suits governments' purposes: to cover up that government doesn't work and those in government pervert it for their own goals. Instead of trusting government ( and hiding the unintended consequences of centralized government power), liberals would be better served to believe Rand when she observes human nature's tendency toward self interest.
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      • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 3 months ago
        Or dumbs it down to irrelevancies - the test associated with the article asks for the number of amendments. WHO CARES? What about the essence of the ninth, tenth, sixteenth, and seventeenth amendments?
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        • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 3 months ago
          Good point. The number of amendments was a meaningless question. Teaching about the debate related to passage of an amendment rarely happens. The fact that some amendments were passed without southern states having any vote is rarely considered(or the 'vote' was done by military representatives under military rule without regard to actual residents.) There was a great deal of controversy about the ratification of the 16th amendment but that is never considered.
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  • Posted by Flootus5 9 years, 3 months ago
    Just like surveys, the outcome is dependent on the phrasing and content of the questions. Imagine comparing a test written by the Joe Foss Institute and one written by the Young Turks!
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  • Posted by rhecat 9 years, 3 months ago
    When I was in 8th grade we had to be able to recite the preamble to the constitution or we couldn't graduate. Then when I was in high school we had a civics class after which I became motivated to register to vote(It had just become law that when you turned 18 you could register to vote-by the way I had to present proof of citizenship as part of the process)
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