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  • Posted by $ Susanne 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Or just how willing they were to be paid to be put in several national databases, so they can be tracked and identified more easily when they decide to stop being a sheep... It will make their ID so much easier when they're in the new Patriot Insurgent Detention Facility... or when the escape...
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  • Posted by Riick 10 years, 5 months ago
    These stops are *supposedly* for some sort of ^STUDY^.
    To be valid, the sample population would have to be a random group of people.
    Offering a nominal amount of money & getting info only from the people who say YES - is far from a random sample.
    It's biased as all hell.

    So I have to ask: What are they **really** looking to find out??
    My guess: How passive is the populace??


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  • Posted by 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    for drunk drivers? there is no statistical evidence that roadblock checkpoints work. Yet they infringe Hugely on the 4th and 5th amendments. If any VC's were left, the long term solution is cars driving themselves. Prohibitionists exaggerate drunk driving statistics such as adding statistics like "alcohol was involved in x%" ignoring a .08 blood alcohol level is no more impaired than a bad nights sleep, being on prescription medication, people who do other tasks while driving, animals int he car, etc...
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  • Posted by 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    yes, the ends justify the means. the Constitution is clear and we ignore it. Innocent until proven guilty. DUI checkpoints assume every citizen driving through the checkpoint is guilty. Fail
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  • Posted by DaveM49 10 years, 5 months ago
    In such a situation, one should ask the officer(s) "Am I being detained?" (have your cell phone camera running if possible). If the answer is "no", you are under no obligation to provide anything. Most states have an "implied consent" law requiring that one submit to a breath test if stopped. But that requires probable cause, which a roadblock does not have.
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  • Posted by Dagneylove 10 years, 5 months ago
    I think Khalling hit the nail on the head. It is a test to see how many sheep the DHS can find so they can extend their invasion into our lives. I'm from Texas and totally bent out of shape by this. You can bet that it's a "test" case project from our 'caregivers' in government.
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  • Posted by roadgypsy 10 years, 5 months ago
    The further you are removed from an event like the American Revolution, or 'evolution', the less you understand the reasons behind the actions taken and the more 'civilized' or docile (creature comfortable) you become..
    How many people actually understand the past 200-300 years and what actions were taken to insure our rights? How many 'men' out there have the guts that our forefathers had. As we progressed into this age, we regressed in our mental and physical independence.

    Just my 2 cents as a newbie.
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years, 5 months ago
    There's not much I could add except for this - anybody reading this who voted for BO and the rest of the constitutional shredding "servants" in DC - thanks this all this, another nail in the US's coffin.

    Wake up people!
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 10 years, 5 months ago
    People should demand to know why they were stopped immediately when stopped. If the officer does not have a reason to hold them they should then leave. The fact that they are offering to pay people for their DNA and or Blood is not even germane to this as the initial stop is illegal. Those officers should be disciplined for abuse of their authority.
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  • Posted by nogestapo 10 years, 5 months ago
    As things are "progressing," I'd hate to be a cop enforcing Draconian laws.
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 10 years, 5 months ago
    What about: "the survey over three years, said participation was "100 percent voluntary" and anonymous."

    Anyone who didn't want to participate didn't have to. Seems to me that's fair.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    people did not feel it was voluntary. lights flashing-herding them over. c'mon bobo, most wouldn't be intimidated y that? it's texas and I'm still asking who had the guns?
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years, 5 months ago
    What ever happened to "Terry Stop" requirements???? This is so illegal.

    The more I think about this the madder I get.

    We do occasionally run into late night "safety checks" around here. They are no more than law enforcement fishing expeditions where "hope" to find drunk drivers or other criminals. I've been told that orders come down from above that the officers on these details will remain on the task until they nab a certain number of offenders - then the press in the area are notified of how "successful" the thing was.

    The real problem comes in when these bored officers begin to exceed the simple mandate they were given and turn what should be a 30 second stop (still not legal ion my mind) into a 30 minute event where they get people out of their cars, search all through, run everybodies ID's and heaven help you if you have a knife or gun - you could be there for hours.

    I was the subject of one of these stops a couple years ago, I don't drink or use drugs, I am insured and all my "paper's" are up to date and a sixty YO guy in a wheelchair with his wife towing a 34' Travel Trailer, on their way home after a long trip can't be high on their list of possible "suspects", but there we were a hour. Most of that time was spent trying to make the officers involved understand why I would not summit to a "voluntary" search of my trailer "if you don't have anything to hide".

    Following that event I tried to get some legal assistance group to help fight this stuff, but since I was not arrested, they all said I'd never be able to prove I was "damaged" by this foray into my freedoms.

    Sad.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    People should demand to know why they were stopped immediately when stopped. If the officer does not have a reason to hold them they should then leave. The fact that they are offering to pay people for their DNA and or Blood is not even germane to this as the initial stop is illegal. Those officers should be disciplined for abuse of their authority.
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Drunk drivers endanger others. Drunk drivers kill others. Society has the right to protect itself, just as you have the right to protect yourself from danger. Why do you deny for the masses what you demand for yourself?

    How would you get them off the road?

    Please offer details of your plan.
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  • Posted by $ minniepuck 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    ok, I found the article. I completely missed that. all I'm used to hearing about is the newest scandal with Dallas isd.
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