The only reason people believe there is no "valid objective evidence for one" is because the evidence has been obscured by the brainwashing of evolutionary theories. I say brainwashing because the teaching of creationism alongside evolutionism is not typically allowed. Brainwashing is indoctrination without the option to "opt out" for other possibilities.

In your world, anything is possible except that there is a God who is personal and created you. You reject it for the purpose of self-determination; however, what you forget is that you did not self-determine yourself to exist, therefore, what do you do with all the activity you cannot control? Why are not all the life-sustaining environments and elements and measurements we have observed changed enough to eliminate our lives over the supposed 4+ million or so years life has supposedly been on the earth? In your world, it is chance...only chance.

Frankly, I would venture to better believe in a man from mars seeding man here than just go by chance. Once you get to there, getting to God is not a far stretch.

Without absolutes, anything is meaningless; therefore, if you intend to communicate in such an environment, I would question whether you actually can.

Reasoning to the point of nonreason isn't reason at all.

Just looking for reason...

Yes what?

Ok...try this one on for size.

Is murder wrong because our culture says so, or is it always wrong? I define murder as the extinguishment of a human being's life without cause or threat to your life; therefore, some killing is legitimate.

This is the usual response I get here in the Gulch...I have numerous examples.

By the way...you define my God as a false god...is there a true god in your world, or are you him?

So you are willing to bet your eternity on our just being "lucky" to be here? Your last statement is very dangerous and justifies anything anyone has ever done, including those atrocities many have historically called "evil." There can be no true evil in your world, so there can be no good. Whether I help the old lady across the street, or bang her head in with a crow bar, it makes no eternal difference in your world in an absolute sense because you have no absolute standard to measure the behavior against. There can be no love or hate in your world. There can be no reason for anything in your world. How do you even justify your own existence from a meaningful perspective that is absolute?

Regarding the change by an extra-human entity, that depends on the entity you are referring to. Has that being communicated to us? You have to get back to established laws (natural laws if you will), that haven't changed since their creation we depend on in life, which if they changed, then live would not exist. Again, if you say these exist because of random, time plus chance events, you still have to deal with where the original matter came from? Either matter is eternally existent or God is eternally existent...

If you are willing to risk your entire life by ignoring the obvious signed of creation all around you and deny you were created, then so be it. I simply accept the obvious for anyone who can think outside themselves.

You're more charitable than I thought...must be a value.

If you follow his logic, then without God, we truly are here via arbitrary means. If you trace God, or nature back far enough, you end up with the original reasons for anything being arbitrary.

I don't see that rational thought and a supreme being are mutually exclusive. Actually, my particular theology requires free will and rational thought.

You said he was on the Navy team. Not many shooting at them, unless he's dumb enough to go Marines.