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The One True God

Posted by khalling 9 years, 5 months ago to Philosophy
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Robin Craig, BSc (Hons 1, Univ. Medal), PhD graduated in molecular biology and is now an owner and COO of Australia’s longest surviving private biotechnology company. He has a long-term interest in both science and Objectivist philosophy and has hosted private monthly philosophy salons for over 15 years. His publications are wide ranging and include numerous scientific papers in genetics, philosophically-themed near-future science-fiction novels (the Just Hunter series) and short stories, the chapter “Good Without God” in The Australian Book of Atheism, philosophical essays on Amazon, and twenty years of Philosophical Reflections, a popular and controversial column in TableAus (the magazine of Australian Mensa). His website monorealism.com includes essays and debates on numerous philosophical topics.


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  • Posted by flanap 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "God does not cause actions." What about Genesis 1:1?

    God has given us free will, no question, however, it operates only within the realm God has defined and when you have a defined realm to operate, that creates limits within which some desires are not possible. Even God has limited Himself via His character, else, He would not be God (e.g. He cannot create another God, He cannot make a rock He cannot lift, He cannot become nonexistence, He cannot do anything which would be inefficient since inefficience is a result of the fall of man and sin, and on and on).

    I have read Job...not sure what you mean.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not sure I understand the comment about the baby. God does not cause actions. Read the book of Job.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's not so difficult. There's a shooting war going on. The Navy isn't getting shot at, but the Army is. Who wants to choose to go to a school where upon graduation you are likely going to be sent to a place to get shot at? The only part of the Navy that is also in harms way are the Marines, and Naval Academy middies have to choose to go into the Marines.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What would you call it? Random collision of atoms seems arbitrary to me.

    How did sentience occur? Why don't rocks think? They are made up from atoms same as humans, and they've been around much longer than living tissue.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, a just one. Each person will reap what they have sown. It is not vengeance from God, merely justice based on the actions of the individual's use of their free-will.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Evolution is not a FACT it is a theory, and one that has flaws. What you believe is true is not supported absolutely by science. You are just as entrenched in unsupported theory as you criticize in those of faith.
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  • Posted by flanap 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "my particular theology requires free will and rational thought." I agree to a certain point, but what happens to the 2 minute old baby who dies? We have to have a way of handling what eternally happens to those who never reach the ability to think through abstractions. This is why a just God is necessary.

    Just/justice....now that will open a can of worms now won't it?
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  • Posted by flanap 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ownership? Define own. Are you saying who controls me, or defines the rules within which I have no choice but to conform all my decisions to? Are you asking whether I have free will? Free will is absolute, but the extent of exercising it is limited (e.g. the person in a coma in the hospital is free will, but is limited...go on from there).

    Help me understand what you mean by "own" please.
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  • Posted by flanap 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Define reality? Perception, or that which exists regardless if you ever existed? If you never existed, would gravity still exist, or only if you perceived it? Saying reality is the only absolute means that anything happening in reality is absolute; however, how is reality determined has been of great philosophical debate over the centuries. Even Descartes started with the uncertainty of his own existence in reality; however, his conclusion was based on a false presupposition which is that he things, therefore he exists, but that if faulty...what if he was knocked unconscious or in a coma as a vegetable in the hospital....would he then still exist even if his neurological pathways shutdown beyond conscious thought? Of course, so we have to move beyond ourselves for reality, else you can invent any version of reality you want, which means you are saying that relativity is the only absolute; however, if that is the case, then I would question whether that is even absolute since you in your world, only relativity is absolute...A cannot be nonA at the same time, but in your world, it apparently does.

    Please consider the faultiness in your statement about reality. Keep emotion at bay and just think through this.
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  • Posted by flanap 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Funny, at times, I do admit I am ignorant of many things, especially of the evidence for macro-evolutionary systems. Can you educate me, starting with the chain of being that began with the Babylonian creation myth, or Greek philosophies of origins (Darwin did not invent the concept of evolution)?

    It is from these myths and legends that led to Darwin's concepts, not his explorations on the isles of Galapagos. They still cannot explain ultimate origins. The God of the Bible is self-existent...in your world, matter is self-existent. We are not that far apart, except on that crucial, point conditio sine qua non.

    The reason that the God of the Bible is the one, true God and no other is because absolutes exist, which confirm His Word, the Bible, then His Son, Jesus Christ was witnessed by man to have resurrected from the dead, which has never occurred by any man apart from the power of God.

    You have to deal with absolutes, else, all theories you derive from relativity fall apart.
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  • Posted by flanap 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In order to start from existence, you have to have something existing, else, you are going right back to my point that something has always have to have existed for existence to be there at all, regardless if you say that is God or matter. If you cannot work out origins, everything else you derive from there is apt to be folly.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your failing is to insist on everything being within your concept of understanding of the universe.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm keeping the conversation going. We have religious participants on this site. I want the discussion and I want you to call nonsense when you see it.
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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Evolution is a FACT of reality. Not optional at all. Positing a God or gods explained nothing of life and its variety.
    You have no evidence whatsoever of this God and not even a coherent non-contradictory statement about what this purported God is.
    The age of earth is over 4 billion not million years.
    You are too ignorant to be worth talking with.
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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Then start by showing why your notion of a supreme being is consistent with rationality. Without that you have built upon the proverbial sand.
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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Define what it is suppose to be without contradiction before even claiming it is possible. This means define how it could exist within reality as we know it. What is possible, having completed that stop successfully if you can, is not that which is known to exist. Thus to believe it because perhaps it is possible without even showing that is so is totally irrational.
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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Get this dim wit mystic out of here. I left that stuff back in the tent revivals of my youth.
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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We have no "eternity" except however long and healthy a span we make happen through our own efforts. Stop blathering nonsense.
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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There is no "afterlife" by definition. Origins are a matter of scientific research, not mysticism. What do you care if you are a bag of chemicals? You are still alive. Evolution is not *random arrangement". I am an objectivist. I need no meaning from outside to give my life and being meaning. Reality is not dependent on whims.

    Go back and read anything at all by Rand and think a bit. You obviously have missed most of it.
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