Dr. Ben Carson 2016?

Posted by Wonky 9 years, 6 months ago to Politics
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I happened to be re-reading “Philosophy: Who needs it” last Thursday, and had just finished “The Metaphysical Versus the Man-Made”. Remember that essay on the serenity prayer?

“God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.”

While Rand makes it perfectly clear that she disagrees with Reinhold Heibuhr’s ideas in every fundamental way, she finds a certain value in the prayer and uses it to introduce the topic of her essay on distinguishing between the metaphysical and the man-made and how to treat each.

So, later in the day (or maybe it was Friday), I hear that this fellow Dr. Ben Carson (who, up until then, I’d never even heard of) is considering a presidential run. Well, that set off a fast and furious google/youtube catch up session, and I’m now in part 2 of Ben Carson’s “One Nation”, and I watched “A Breath of Fresh Air” Sunday.

I found myself (as usual), trying to overlook (and translate) the bits about “If it’s God’s plan for me to run, then I will”, and praying for wisdom (do I want a president who might pray for answers to real problems and use divine revelation to choose the way he leads?).

In keeping with my tradition of “thinking out loud” Gulch posts, I really like this guy. He seems to exude a serenity that is the antithesis of what Rand describes as the men who “spend their lives in futile rebellion against the things they cannot change, in passive resignation to the things they can, and - never attempting to learn the difference - in chronic guilt and self-doubt on both counts”.

So I whipped out my personal decoding toolbox, because this is too important to ignore... a distinguished, “non-politician” actually talking about “serving” in a public office... definitely too important to ignore.

Here is my cheat sheet for translating religious language to rational language:

1. Prayer = meditation = settling extraneous thoughts to allow one’s entire attention to be focused on the topic at hand without making the error of allowing extraneous thoughts interfere with the process of assessing the topic.

2. God = the “spirit” of man = the “essence” of man = the “nature” of man = that part of every man which is common with every other man (that he is a rational animal, if you will).

3. God’s will = (in accordance with the previous translation) that which truly rational men must conclude is in their best interest.

This is no science, to be sure, but it works for me when assessing earnest men on either side. If Mr. Carson says that he is praying for wisdom with respect to running, I’m willing to interpret that to mean that he is settling his mind in order to bring his full attention to bear on the situation he would be placing himself into. Every indication is that he is capable of objectively discerning between the metaphysical and the man-made... how can any good medical doctor not? If Mr. Carson says that he will run if it is God’s will that he run, I’m willing to interpret that to mean that he thinks it is in his best interest as well as the best interest of other rational men for him to run.

I’m wondering how other members of the Gulch feel about him as a presidential candidate.


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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 6 months ago
    While intrigued by your translate table, I have a different reaction: When a vet pointedly told me that the health of my dog was 'God's Will'...I never went back to that vet.

    I want someone who believes that the entire matter of [my health, my dogs health, my car repair] is in their hands, not waiting for cosmic intervention. (If it turns out that there IS a God/gods and they choose to cosmically intervene to the positive, that is well and good, but it is a bonus to the human 'doing his best'.)

    Jan

    Jan
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think we will, but not in the next few years. Society as a whole does seem to be moving in an atheistic direction. Having an openly non-religious president would make a wave - once. Then it would not be an issue.

    Jan
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But this needs to be the Opposite of the Austerity Speech: it needs to be a speech that says, "We are on our way back to prosperity." We have had too many recent appeals for 'austerity' as a solution. It is not the solution, austerity is the problem. Technology is the solution.

    So beware that we do not fall into someone else's well-worn verbal rut.

    Jan
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  • Posted by 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Who said anything about family or genes?

    Now that you point it out though, it would be ironic if, after such uproar against existing politicians, the choice ended up being between Jeb and Hillary.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 6 months ago
    The question to ask - OK, 2 questions - are...

    Is Dr. Carson enough of a change - and does he truly have the strength, integrity, and courage - to break us away from the two-name one-party system we have now? Or is he just another party platform performer to get votes and power? We've been playing the mono-party dynasty game way too long. How long before the cycle is broken? Is he the one to do it?

    Two - and be warned ahead of time, some will find offense I dared to ask this - Is Dr. Carson the most qualified candidate for the job, or is he the most qualified candidate of color? Before you start the "You racist" flame war... I know a lot of libs (from when I was on that side of the fence) who voted for him because he was not the best candidate (with his inexperience, I would fathom one of the worst) but because he was a young, handsome, black man. Every time someone had a genuine issue with his beliefs, policies, history, and most importantly, lack of qualifications, people would support him by saying these issues were "racist".

    I'll finish this off by saying this. I like the man, and while he is *far* better than what we have now, I think we could do better. He didn't impress me that much when he ran last time, and nothing about him has fundamentally changed.

    And for God's sake... what we need is someone who can bring back our country... A return to being America, not a continuation of the monoparty power structure. Who has the guts, integrity, stamina, and courage to turn what we have on its ear, and return us to greatness?

    THAT is who should be running.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My wife and extended family actually helped fill me in on some basics. My wife worked in electrophysiology research at Johns Hopkins while he was there. Turns out it's a small world. The deep dive is my own initiative... I'm intrigued and (dare I say) "hopeful" - as much as about what he will bring to the debate as whether or not he wins or loses.
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  • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree it will take a special person both in honesty and courage. Those kind of people are hard to come by in the profession and if we found one getting them to live long enough to get elected will be tough. They would need to walk around in a bullet proof bubble.
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  • Posted by Victor_Laszlo 9 years, 6 months ago
    I'm suspicious of anyone interested in that job. I don't think that being the captain of the pirate ship, USA, will effect or further the Libertarian cause.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is hard to argue with this logic. Following this line of thinking, someone will ultimately be required to address the public and make a statement such as:

    "Ok, America, it is time to batten down the hatches. We must all weather the storm voluntarily and with full understanding that these things must be done to prevent the errors of our past from sinking the ship."

    Who will utter those words? I think it has to be the president. What president could make it stick? My answer is: only an honest one.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Carson is my (as yet not fully decided) favorite. Your statement about his being for stricter gun control gave me a jolt and sent me searching.
    He is against me having a tank and a bazooka.
    Fine, I do not want any of those, but Carson thinks semiautomatic weapons should be banned in heavily populated area.
    He needs to define semiautomatic. I think he is thinking AR-15 when a pistol with a clip is also a semiautomatic. Then I surfed to another site that I really like. He's against gun registration!

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/...
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  • Posted by RonC 9 years, 6 months ago
    He will be very unpopular with the low information voter. The message, even if it's tacit, of read a book, use your imagination, work hard, set goals will not be popular among mooches.
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  • Posted by RevJay4 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree with you. The best course of action may be to turn DC into a national park completely with no politicians allowed and all agency buildings destroyed and turned into green space or something. Along with that outlaw lobbyists, move the nation's capitol to the center of the country, and return to citizen politicians with only one term allowed. Ah, sweet fantasy of a return to simpler times. If ever there was any.
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  • Posted by barwick11 9 years, 6 months ago
    Do what you gotta do man, but really... I kinda laugh at how atheists assume Christians are illogical and don't base their beliefs on sound objective and philosophical reasoning.

    Now, that reasoning isn't why we're Christians, but regardless, it exists to support our brains' willingness to accept our faith. God didn't design us to blindly accept words without any reason to accept them. There's evidence to back it up. Christ didn't plop down on Earth and say "here I am, I'm God, worship me" without showing evidence to back up his claim of divinity. Same thing with the authenticity of the Bible itself.
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  • Posted by barwick11 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If I dropped off a new C7 Corvette and put the keys on your doorstep, would it be relevant where it came from?

    Nevermind that it came from the driveway of the local mob boss, and he's looking for it. Driving it would be unwise.
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  • Posted by m1tmc 9 years, 6 months ago
    Comparing the odds of having a black president following the first ever, and having another Bush.
    It would be hard to find a worse president then Barry; and black folks deserve a better representative for president, but deserve has little to do with it.
    Though we appreciate Jeb's take on things, what does it say if the best candidate to lead the nation at this time has to come from a certain family or genes?
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  • Posted by RevJay4 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The "o" is not looking pleased with what he is hearing. That was a total surprise to the left and Dr. Carson earned their contempt that day. Now they go after him any chance they get.
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  • Posted by NealS 9 years, 6 months ago
    Wonky, wow, if you really just heard of Dr. Ben Carson, I'm really astounded how much you've discovered about this man and his true intentions in such a short amount of time. You have read into him what I've been seeing all along. I think he will actually respond to questions with answers, not rhetoric like so many others use to avoid telling us their view. Recently asked about National Defense and Foreign Policy, he answered that's what advisors and Generals are for. He's basically came out and said he doesn't have all the answers but has the resources to get them.

    At this point I disagree that he's for big government, and I think perhaps his stance on arms might have been misconstrued. Now that he's announced lets see where it takes him. In any case just remember that Hillary would be a really bad choice for this country of ours.
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  • Posted by mikelange 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks, I like Walker too. I guess the religion doesn't bother me too much, unless you are a Muslim extremist. I think his qualifications are that he is a problem solver and understands basic economics and appears to put the good of the country ahead of polictics, none of which OB has or cares to do.
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 6 months ago
    I guess my question is, how did he go from 0 to 80 in such a short time. How is he more imminently qualified than Condi Rice, for example? or Ted Cruz? Is it that he's never been a political figure? What does he know about foreign policy, dealing with the legislature? Running a business? He is part of a private practice, but in my experience, most doctors are woefully ignorant of the business side of things. Is it just that he rose up from poverty and put himself through medical school? I mean, the man gives a speech at a prayer breakfast and we're all about WWBCD.
    I would like to see a strong candidate with a business background-an entrepreneur who understands economics-I am partial to governors because you can look at their record-a mini-nation and see their accomplishments under pressure. They don' have to have a tremendous understanding of foreign policy, but they have to be able to pull together a team of people who do have that knowledge. Carson is a brain surgeon. He is an expert at that.
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  • Posted by jimslag 9 years, 6 months ago
    I like him but I don't think he could win. I believe he would be a great Surgeon General under a Republican President but I would not have him making political decisions. Personally, I know we will never get a person like this, but I want a small government type who will reduce the size and scope of government. We all know that all politicians are in the Big Government Party. All they want is more and more government with more and more power over individual liberties. I resent the people we send to Washington because no matter their positions when elected, they get corrupted by lobbyists and other politicians inside the Beltway of Mordor. Sometimes I feel the best way is to neutron bomb K Street or DC in general and start over with new rules for lobbying and a new crop of citizen politicians, one term and done.
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  • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are not wrong, but we do need a leader with those values that will lead that direction and sign the bill if it arrived. Congress can send any bill it passes but if it does not get signed it fails.

    I would also argue that we need a hard right turn both fiscally and socially because they are connected. :)
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  • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is exactly the reason they all need to go at once. If they are all gone at the same time the economic benefits will outweigh the hardship and we will not swing left. If they start chipping away we will not see the economic explosion and then I believe you are correct. Back tot the left again.
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