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  • Posted by Herb7734 11 years, 7 months ago
    I he same old socialistic fallacies. I don't know what they think that the nation is comprised of. Rutabagas? It's people, you idiots! Like their untrue assertion that only 5% will have their health care canceled. Even if it were true, that's still over 17 million people. Seventeen million policy holders plus family members, probably more like 30 million. This has got to be the most mendacious administration in the history of America, maybe even in the history of the world.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    yeah, really sucked, that's why the country is so much better now than then. I mean, y'know, for most of its history, steeped in Christianity. That's why it never went anywhere until the socialists' assault on Christianity began about 70-80 years ago.

    Why, yes, that's sarcasm, thanks for noticing :)

    I remember the scene from "The Cowboys" where John Wayne walks into the school house where they're teaching kids to read using the J.C. Penney catalog.

    How they learned to read without iPads is beyond understanding....
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Can't recall the name right now, but there was a famous philosopher who learned to read... only backwards and upside down because he learned to read while his father recited from his Bible...
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  • Posted by spark- 11 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks. I should clarify, though. He wasn't indifferent, rather, he was professionally impartial. Personally, he recognized the unjustness of slavery, and believed in colonization. He did not believe that blacks could integrate with society, and openly supported transporting “free negros” out of the country. He personally believed that this should extend to black slaves as well.

    To stay on point, he never promised to end slavery, he only opposed slave ownership for political reasons, and preferred reconstruction to colonization to buy more votes.
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  • Posted by powbill 11 years, 7 months ago
    The Individual's needs are the common goods needs , since the common good is made up of individuals
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Individuals needs can conflict, however. Even in a society devoid of cannibals.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 11 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Great post Spark. He did come to hate slavery as President but in a speech prior to the election he said he had no plans to free the blacks(he used the n word). The biggest mistake I think Lincoln made was selecting Andrew Johnson as his VP. He blocked plans for reconstruction and the impeachment was an unnecessary distraction.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Let me tell you two stories from my alleged life (get the popcorn ready):

    In high school, we had "Government" class. The teacher would encourage "discussions" among the students. They always, well, almost always, ended up as 30-on-1 arguments (you can guess who the 1 was). I remember one argument where the entire class, in 1980, was arguing that our representatives should vote their own minds, not what their constituents wanted, because the representatives knew better than the constituents. I was the only one who was arguing that, no, they were sent there to *represent* us because we were too busy making the money for them to blow to vote for ourselves. I remember seeing the teacher sitting there smirking, silent as the battle raged on.

    Okay, Sherman set the wayback machine to 1969. Second grade, anyway.
    The entire class was given a math problem.
    When we had completed it, the teacher asked me to give my answer. She told the entire class that I was wrong (I sat there thoroughly humiliated). She had me calculate it again, according to her method. I got the same answer.

    She told the class what the right answer was (parse this sentence carefully...).
    I calculated it again... same answer.
    She finally, in exasperation, asked the class which of us was right, she, or I?
    The entire class, every single kid, said that she was right. Some of them gave me dirty looks like I was crazy.

    She then dropped her bombshell.
    No, she said, his answer is right.
    Don't assume, she said, that just because someone in power says something that they are right.

    That's an old school teacher.

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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's a complete mis-statement of "general welfare". General welfare meant the prosperity of the nation as a whole... not *the people* as a whole, but the union of States as a whole.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Left out the part about how the Southern economy, with its import duties, was necessary for a large part of the nation's *budget*
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  • Posted by spark- 11 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually, Lincoln indicated on many occasions, as is well documented, that he was completely indifferent to the issue of slavery. He even successfully defended the rights of a slave owner earlier in his legal career. In his first inaugural address, he said

    “I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.”

    He was, however, a believer in a strong central government, and was always very clear that the inclusion of the south was essential for the survival of the union, and this was his priority. He could only legally declare slavery illegal in the confederacy, not in the north (which by default acknowledged the sovereignty of the Confederacy). Slavery was only a moral pretext to foreign invasion.

    For the record, I’m not a supporter of slavery. It should be noted that slavery was peacefully abolished in the entire civilized world by the early 1900s. I personally believe that the nature by which the slaves were freed in the US had the effect of creating the racial divisions which still exist today, attitudes which are disproportionate to those of the rest of the world.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think I'm easy-going, but I'm already suing my kids' last school. It was over more quotidian stuff. I don't believe this ideological war stuff, but I'm always on alert for this type of baloney. Their parents are "change agents", and we want them to be to, assuming change agent means "gets $hit done".
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    that was political speech next to polling. It is illegal and you should have complained to the local election board and called the TV stations
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  • Posted by exindigo 11 years, 7 months ago
    Forget Common Core, the problem is much deeper. CC is only a symptom and besides, districts can adopt CC to fit their curriculum. My son and I voted in the last general election at a grammar school. The voting place was inside the school auditorium and we voted while school was in session. We walked towards the voting place and walked by a classroom where we heard the following being led by a teacher with the class responding: "Who's the best?" "Obama." "Who will lead us?" "Obama." Who will take care of us?" "Obama." It went on but by that time we were out of earshot. On our way out an elderly woman commented on the chanting from the classroom. She thought it was so dear for the children to become politically aware.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 11 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nothing like a little voting day opportunistic polling place political pressure, dont'cha think? I wonder if it was the teacher's idea to do this politicking during voting to sway the vote to the appropriate sociocommunist way, or if the teacher was directed to hold the rally at the behest of someone up the foodchain?
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You certainly reacted differently than I would have. Or should I say, "didn't react". Did you say anything to the elderly woman (WHO SHOULD KNOW BETTER!) either? This was two prime opportunities for you to speak up and point out evil. I'm sorry you didn't seize it. (If we don't start speaking up next they'll have YOU chanting.)
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 11 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The whole sports thing is the socially acceptable way to blow off the pressure cooker that builds from following the artifically nice socialistic brother love norms...
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