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Embrace Liberty of Vanish Republicans

Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 7 months ago to Politics
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Not sure if this guy is real, but if more liberty minded candidates can gain some traction (10% of vote) then the Republican Party will have to embrace them or go extinct. This one reason a vote for a 3rd party candidate is not a waste.

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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Perhaps, but I would note that the general movement of politics in the past 20-100 years has been decidedly to the left. Both parties are examples of this. Democrats have now run so far to the left that they are indistinguishable from socialists. Republicans (for the most part) have abandoned any semblance of the conservative values they used to run on, which is why the rise of Libertarians and Tea Party candidates has even been made possible.

    But to me, the power apparatus is endemic of the people themselves. The people themselves in sufficient voting quantity think that they are entitled to a fat, dumb, happy life provided by others. The politicians they elect are symptomatic of this problem.
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  • Posted by airfredd22 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Re: jbrenner,
    I certainly can't disagree with the lack of heart and soul part. I would add moral compass and basic integrity as well, at least for the vast majority. he was also easy to caricature and whether we like it or not appearance, both physically and emotionally are indeed factors in winning an election.

    Just look at the way Mitt Romney was caricatured during his campaign, perfect hair, strong masculine looks and selfmade wealth. granted, he also had a somewhat privileged background, but he made most of his money on his own based on his intellect and education.

    As to Perot, no proof was ever offered for his claims of the Bush family having attempted to kidnap his daughter.

    By the way, Perot made most of his money from government contracts when he started Electronic Data systems. No doubt that when he worked for IBM he was their top salesman and saw a market that IBM ignored and he had a vision for a business that they didn't see.

    Fred speckmann
    commonsenseforamericans@yahoo.com
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Perot did have his idiosyncrasies, but because he was not in the media's or the left's best interest, he was caricatured. Then an opponent found his weakness - a vulnerability to real or perceived familial attack. Most winning presidents don't have that vulnerability because they have no heart nor soul.
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm pretty out of it, living outside the country. but I am still hopeful. I have actually done some work behind the scenes to help key candidates. with my voice and phone...not money,unless we agree that our strengths can sometimes be currencies
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The sun wasn't shining, period, until a couple of weeks ago. I have never seen a summer with such frequent rain. My part of Florida is where most of the statewide Senate and House Republican leadership usually comes from. They are usually fairly conservative, but not particularly. They are definitely more conservative than your typical Florida Republican, but ...
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Speaking of Sam Hill, a couple of weeks ago a college football punter named Sam Hill ran for a touchdown on a fake punt. What in the Sam Hill?!
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Most, but not all, Senate Republicans can stick it where the sun doesn't shine. Florida is infected with a lot of RINOs. Such RINOs have actively sent each other money from their collective campaign war chest to campaign against anyone who attempts to rock the boat, even at the county commission or county delegate to the Republican Party of Florida level. This Florida election was the best opportunity to get someone with Galt values into a governorship anywhere in the US. The two parties put up an ex-governor who switched parties and a current governor with a very shady past and a RINO present. None of the above would easily win this election, if it were on the ballot. Adrian Wyllie, a libertarian, will get a sizable vote, but he just doesn't have the finances to get his name out.
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    well, I'm sorry, just got a demeaning email from "senate republicans" today, telling me they were disappointed in ME. fuck that shit. I am disappointed in THEM
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  • Posted by brando79az 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I didn't forget at all. That is why I'm still registered as a Republican. To pull them back to small government, non-intrusive mindsets.
    I think we have a better chance with this than strengthening a 3rd party. Heck, even a D wins, hopefully a strong Republican would have influenced their platform.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 7 months ago
    "To be sure, Grimm is a complicated candidate.He is pro-life, pro-gun, and anti-tax, but also pro-marijuana legalization, pro-marriage equality"
    This is not complicated.
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think one point everyone is missing is the value of the primaries. Don't think for one minute that the delegates brought to the convention by Paul did not have an impact on the Republican platform. Even if a libertarian candidate for legislature gets 10% of the vote, that is significant enough in a state for both parties to pay attention to. This was always my feeling regarding the Perot votes. Both party platforms compromised on many of the issues he ran on.
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  • Posted by airfredd22 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Granted, most of the crazy commentary came from talking heads, but if you do a little research on whether Perot was a reasonable person or not, I believe you will find hundreds of references.

    It's true, he did make sense on some of his commentaries, but when analyzed, he came up short on his solutions. I too liked his ability to cut through the stupidity of government, but his solutions seldom seemed workable.

    Did you ever truly listened to what to me often sounded like crackpot ideas. If his name wasn't preceded by the word "billionaire" no one would have ever paid any attention to him. This is not to say that other candidates were any better.

    Fred
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  • Posted by brando79az 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I know plenty of ethical lawyers. Many of my close family are lawyers and my wife works for a world wide law firm. I also know of plenty of unethical lawyers.
    Regardless of their ethics, what is common, is their lack of leadership experience. They are well educated and, sure, they know the law better than most but can they lead?
    Now, look at our new ebola czar, for example. Is it coincidence that a new government position was opened to a lawyer? More politics with lawyers. No doubt, he was not appointed for his medical experience or even his leadership skills. He was appointed because they hope he will know to say and do things to prevent and/or hide scandles.
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  • Posted by redoty09 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I never heard of anyone that thought he was crazy even a little. He made more sense than any of the other crooked candidates of either party.
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  • Posted by airfredd22 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Re: khalling,

    No one denies that there are some good people that happen to be lawyers, but when lawyers are referred to in a disparaging manner, we are talking about the ones that become politicians who tend to be the less moral and honest ones. One of the major flaws in the electorate is that we think of lawyers as being smarter when in fact they seldom are. for the most part they are better educated in the art of prevarication as their very jobs depend upon presenting completely opposite points in an argument. furthermore, it seldom matters which side of an argument a lawyer is asked to take.

    Fred Speckmann
    commonsenseforamericans@yahoo.com
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  • Posted by airfredd22 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Re: Zenphamy,

    there's only one problem. Only Ross Perot made the claim about his daughter being threatened. No evidence was ever offered. keep in mind that Ross Perot, despite his business success was a very flawed candidate who didn't always make a lot of sense. No doubt, he also had a unique way sometimes of grasping a point that other politicians failed to see. The bottom line with Perot was that he simply couldn't manage to make people bellieve that he wasn't just a little crazy.

    Fred Speckmann
    commonsenseforamericans@yahoo.com
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  • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree a vote in a lawless society is nothing and I don't know why people don't speak out. I think they secretly don't disagree with the goals (see the press). But AR also said something about not giving up as long as you had some semblance of freedom of speech.
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  • Posted by $ arthuroslund 9 years, 7 months ago
    AR pointed out in one of her letters that you cannot protect yourself with one vote. Most people know that but it puts us in a precarious position. When the constitution is ignored then tyranny commences. Why are people not doing anything about the tyrants currently in power? I suspect the same reasons that good Germans failed to stop Hitler when they had the chance and why good Muslims do not stop the radical Islamic killers. We are afraid to speak out for fear of both social and physical retaliation. Social from our peers and physical from the government. In my opinion, voting only validates a very corrupt system. In the old Soviet Union, people would spoil their ballot as a protest against a corrupt system. Voting for a third party in a “winner-take-all” system will accomplish the same thing. I personally prefer to not waste my time.
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  • Posted by brando79az 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I probably cannot. I take it case by case but I am definitely biased. If a candidate running for an executive position and doesn't have experience executing. I'm just saying, that's a point against them in my book.
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