To answer the question about getting people to think more, I would say we need to ask questions that solve a perceived problem in their lives. People need an incentive greater than fear to get them to climb the uphill battle out of blissful ignorance. Independent thinking AND living both require effort, and for those already in the Matrix, that is a lot of gravity to overcome. They need to see the tangibles and have the intangible benefits sensationally described to them to ignite a passion for living real life. I think there are appeals from many different groups- preppers, Amish, etc. How about the health benefits of growing your own food? The superior results of educating your family together? Worshipping together? Working family trades together? We do run our own school and during Covid, had no restrictions or interruptions. In fact, we held dances and parties and made herbal remedies together and our families were not traumatized. Being able to tell real success stories showing the fruits of living in liberty can inspire others to wake up and get up.

Funny you say that. Just last week I picked up the series again and I am re-reading HGTTG again right now.

and it still does not prevent selling alcoholic beverages to minors

not banned by the US Constitution

banned by traitors to the US Constitution

and i am pointing out the double standards in "our" laws that are clearly unconstitutional

Semiauto rifles are totally banned in Washington state and I'm pretty sure, a few others.

In some states, semiauto rifles, such as the AR series, have a 21 year old minimum age requirement.

This is the insanity to which I was referring.

you can't buy a hand-gun

you can buy
AR-15
Garand
M-1A
Mini-14

so i guess i do not understand you point on this

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAID TO A BUDDY THAT NIGHT. I think that is the actual motivation. My buddy had just informed me that he's had stores want to run his ID through a machine to buy beer. He's older than I am. That's when it hit me....This is probably going to the point where they scan your ID for beef (global warming), fish (endangered species and raping the oceans(China)), alcohol (blackmail)... I think you nailed it VetteGuy!

There are a lot of guns even an 18 year old can't buy, nowadays. In fact, there are guns NOBODY can buy, depending on what state you live in.

When I was in the Marines, I could drink myself stupid (which I often did), at 18+, as long as it was on base. I don't know what the rules are, now.

And, if it were up to me, only landowners would be able to vote, regardless of their age.

How long before you need an ID (keyed to your rationed amount) to buy beef, chicken, eggs, gasoline ...

1984, here we come!

Haha...

And that system worked well. Younger kids were exposed to the content material aimed at the older ones, so that when it was their turn, they had already seen it. Repetition works well and was automatic in that system.
My father-n-law went to one of those schools; it was his job to go in early and start the fire so the room would be warm when school started. He had an excellent English teacher, who taught him as well as by wife and myself decades later. By that time, our school had lights and air conditioning.

Yes. Well said.

Probably a volume, or more, per member.

IMHO, all gun/gun accessory laws are unconstitutional. If you want to make people safe from guns, then make it against the law to shoot somebody. Oh wait, I think that law is already on the books.

but you have to be on a list that gets checked off

and to buy a gun, you need an ID

Like it! The wit, wisdom, pleasures, and horrors of the Gulch forum could probably fill more than one decent sized volume.

I always thank the lady for asking.
I tell them they made my day.
At 66 I still have all my brown hair.
My sister is 70, still not a grey hair on her head.

Sadly, most people are too lazy to speak up, too cowardly or wander through life not caring. The Covid farce revealed how many lack courage.

But you don't need an ID to vote.

thank you


you can vote at 18
you can get drafted at 18
you can buy a gun at 18

buy alcohol at 18, nope

Selling liquor to minors (stores).
Drunk driving and drunk in public (bars serving intoxicated patrons).

These things generally occur after businesses supply liquor to individuals who probably shouldn't have access to it.

you can vote at 18
you can get drafted at 18
you can buy a gun at 18

buy alcohol at 18, nope

and now, you can vote if you are an il-legal alien

let me know when they start checking IDs for voting

Ark B

a dirty telephone can be a dangerous thing

Laws seem to be made today on everything, for or against the people. Laws should be (as they are) made against murder, but we should not have to make laws to protect someone against someone else that broke some other law. Today's gun laws are ridiculous. They should be about misuse, intentional or otherwise, but not specifically related to a specific tool. Take Chicago, all the gun specific laws, apparently not for the crimes. If Chicago obeyed the criminal laws (robbery, holdups, breaking and entering, harassing, rape, murder, etc.), would they still need gun specific laws? I guess it must be alright to rob someone at knife point, but using a gun will get them in more trouble. Should we more knife laws too? (brings to mind Vietnam again, we could not use bayonets with more than one sharp edge, while the enemy used triangular three sharp edge bayonets). Or how about crowbars, or tire irons? That makes little sense to me. If we would execute the laws that were on the books a long time ago, prosecute and sentence the law breakers, we could hold back on crime. The federal government wouldn't let me in the Hoover Damn because I had a pocket knife, a very small one, even though the law specifies a specific limit to length. I guess that was just that guards rule, not the rule of law. I went up the trail and hid the knife in a rock then came back and they let me in. Today, I might have gone to prison if I tried to get in with that little knife.

The intent of the new gun laws is to reduce the number of guns that criminals have. That will never happen. In fact, and I am guilty of responding to the new laws, I have added to my collection over the majority of my adult life instead of reducing it. We now have, in WA, rules on handgrips, pistol grips, even flash suppressors and silencers (they don't even know the difference), barrel shrouds, magazines (clips as they call them), and more. We can no longer buy, sell, manufacture, import, so many "guns" based on our representatives fears In fact I have a whole bunch that I can't do anything with, not even give them away. This is an imposition on my freedom to engage in a business. Suppressors now require a fee and approval from the ATF, yet they sent me to be a batter commander of an 8-inch self-propelled firing battery in Vietnam. We had to use ear plus to suppress the noise shock or blow out our ear drums. I don't like to hunt with ear plugs, it's just not right.

Sorry for the long dissertations, but I'm in a mood today. It's like drinking out of a spittoon, once you start it's difficult to stop.

please define "illegal activities"