The God of the Machine - Tranche 16

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Chapter VIII, Excerpt 1 of 1
The Fallacy of Anarchism

Government originates in the moral faculty. The essence of self-government consists in keeping promises; the formal organization is instituted by agreement, and the power is delegated for the purpose of maintaining contract freely entered . . . embodied in the constitution, and private contracts between individuals. The mode of the conversion of energy must correspond to the mode of association. Anarchy is practicable only to savagery. Force is what is governed.

But war and leadership seem to by synchronous. A regime of popularity is effective for starting a war; and indeed, must do so. The error can be maintained only by rejecting the facts of savage behavior and the specific testimony of intelligent savages as to the purpose of the council of war. Primitive war can be begun and carried on by impulse of fighting men. They are the force. In no case could the council apply force. They simply had none.

The initial truth is brought to light whenever citizen or subject is sufficiently determined; force cannot compel obedience in the social order. What it can effect is death, whether of subject or king. Leadership is obliged to justify itself daily. In a settled and productive society, continuity is necessary, with the time space factor in economics. While industry got up steam during the nineteenth century, political changes were in reverse, more power accruing to government under ‘socializing’ measures.


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  • Posted by mhubb 1 year, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "The private security firm would presumably do everything in a lawful manner, probably better then your state enforcers."

    if you believe that, you are delusional
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  • Posted by nonconformist 1 year, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Why would you conclude that?

    The private security firm would presumably do everything in a lawful manner, probably better then your state enforcers.

    A private security firm would not force their 'security services' on people. People would hire them voluntarily. Your state goons, on the other hand, are suspiciously looking like they are running a protection racket. They take your money by force and if you don't comply, they come to fuck your shit up and throw you in jail. How is that not a protection racket? At least with a private security firm you have a choice, so, over time only the most conscientious firms would have business.

    We've already talked earlier about what I think is the source of all the trouble: predation. Giving the job of law enforcement to the state is like giving the job of guarding the hen house to the fox. The end result isn't going to be good.

    As far as I know, the dark ages happened because Roman Empire collapsed. That happened because it became corrupted from within (predation). If people become non-productive and start stealing from each other, I think it is pretty obvious some shit is going to go down.

    The statist propaganda would like everyone to believe that if the state is dissolved, everybody would die. However, that is not necessarily the case. They might die, if the state is killed by the collapse of society due to predation. Alternatively, there might be a civilization boom because there is less parasites running around forcing people to give them all their money.
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  • Posted by 1 year, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are many reasons why that is a stupid idea. First, you are surrendering the entire concept of due process and independent third parties to adjudicate contracts. You are advocating protection rackets and the guys with the most hired guns to rule. In any event, markets devolve, production ceases, disease spreads, and misery and becomes the growth industry. Ever heard of the Dark Ages? That's precisely what you advocate. Regardless, do you not know where you are? Are you a troll in the Gulch?
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  • Posted by nonconformist 1 year, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Clearly, peace is good and war is bad. However, I believe that everyone has the right to defend themselves by violence if no other option exists. If they have defended themselves (and recouped the damage that was inflicted on them), they stop having the right to continue inflicting damage on the other party. No retribution or punishment is allowed. Trust me, repayment of damages is punishment enough and then some.
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  • Posted by nonconformist 1 year, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't understand. Why couldn't you hire a non-governmental organization to defend your rights? Like a private security firm.
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  • Posted by 1 year, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are no free markets without defense of rights as a prerequisite. You contradict yourself with "defend rights" while endording the paralysis of the defense of rights.
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  • Posted by nonconformist 1 year, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually no, I disagree. Retaliation and punishment is not logical, reasonable or productive.

    By punishing someone, not only are you causing disproportional damage to them, but you are also causing damage (money/time/risk) to yourself without any way to get back what was lost.

    Making an example out of a perpetrator would also be immoral.

    You have the right to recover damages from the perpetrator and to also to recover funds spent bringing them to 'justice'. If they need mental help/rehabilitation, they might need to pay for that too. However, it would be immoral to make them suffer more loss than the above.

    Prison is immoral.
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  • Posted by 1 year, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually, retaliatory force is moral and essential when the best way to rectify injustice involving violence, coersion or fraud. In any event, the point of this book is the long circuit of energy transmission, its moral foundation, and the machinery it requires.
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  • Posted by 1 year, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is the Libertarian position. To be sure, government is force, and government is essential to defend rights. A rational, developed society delegates retaliatory force to prevent anarchy.
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  • Posted by nonconformist 1 year, 9 months ago
    All force/violence/coercion is immoral, except maybe when used for self-defense. This is true irrespective of existence of anarchy or government. To say that government (coercive organization) is needed to prevent violence is to promote statist propaganda. Giving government special rights to keep order is like letting the fox guard the hen house.
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  • Posted by 1 year, 9 months ago
    In the Ms. Paterson's usage, the term 'leadership' is in the context of authoritarianism. In other words, political power is concentrated; there is little or no mass inertia veto.
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