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Police MURDER Innocent Man Who Does Not Consent To Tyranny

Posted by freedomforall 2 years, 1 month ago to Government
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Excerpt:
"An interesting thing about government – about government workers – is that they can legally do things that would be criminal under the law if we were to do them.

This begs the question about the morality of what government does – unless one takes the position that legality and morality are synonymous. In which case it is hard to understand why the leaders of National Socialist Germany – always important spell out the socialism that was at the core of that murderous regime – were prosecuted after World War II, given that the crimes they were charged with weren’t criminal, as a matter of (German National Socialist) law.

Government morality seems to boil down to this: If you do not follow its laws, government workers will – ultimately – kill you.

A young man named Chase Allen, who was 25-years-old, is dead because of a chain of events that began when a government worker decided to enforce a law requiring his car (all cars) to be “registered” with the government. Chase did not believe he had a moral obligation to “register” his car with the government and so he didn’t, apparently.

You may think the government has the right to enforce such laws, though it is difficult to understand how “government” – which isn’t a living being – can have any rights at all. It certainly has power, of course – but then, so did the National Socialists in Germany."
Original report:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...

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Government is out of control.
Agents of government are not being trained to honor individual rights guaranteed by the US constitution.
Instead they are provided with military weapons and trained to shoot first and ask questions later.


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  • Posted by chad 2 years, 1 month ago
    Unfortunate in so many ways. The kid was not well versed in what he was trying to communicate. I understand the theory but citizens of this country are not sovereign the state has declared that it is. That may not be the intent of the contract (the Constitution) but it is the accepted reality of all law enforcement agencies and courts. This is the operating theory of the police, the legislators and the courts. Fighting it in court is useless, contesting these ideas on the street is an open invitation for escalating violence by the representatives of the state who are not going to give in.
    The kid did not reach for the gun which was on the floor. It is visible that his hands were always near the steering wheel and the door. He would have to lean over and down to reach the gun. He didn't. The policeman who saw the gun on the floor reacted to the fact that a gun was there. The kid made no mention of it, did not threaten to use it, and did not reach for it.
    Don't try to educate the ignorant. Be polite and compliant. The state does not have the right to indebt your property and make you pay to use it, and that is irrelevant because every court will claim that right. The arguments for liberty in this situation cannot be won because of the current acceptance of the public and all levels of government declaring that it is their right.
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  • Posted by 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks rich. 👍
    It's still not clear since it is not the cam from the policeman who went inside to force out the driver, and this cam is blocked by that policeman.
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  • Posted by bobsprinkle 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you for the effort to find and provide the link. But, it requires me to create a google account and sign in. I do not want to give google the required info. I have made my opinion pretty clear on this unfortunate occurrence. I will leave it be for now.
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  • Posted by bobsprinkle 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    We don't know that either.
    The police cams should be public record and the original digital video should be
    available to determine if the cops overstepped or the guy killed was just foolish or both.
    I agree with that.
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  • Posted by 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    We can't tell because the only video is a redacted/edited one provided by the police.
    Are they hiding something?
    We don't know that either.
    The police cams should be public record and the original digital video should be
    available to determine if the cops overstepped or the guy killed was just foolish or both.

    This could be another case of government agents hiding the evidence
    - similar to the results of vaccine side effects, mask effectiveness, etc.
    Without full disclosure, we don't know.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    The gun was laying on the floor inside the car. Multiple officers present. Hard to believe they were in mortal danger.
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  • Posted by bobsprinkle 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I do not necessarily blindly trust the police either. But, I would not want to put my life on the line in the way they have to do these days. Would you trust everyone you pull over if you were a cop. I doubt it.
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  • Posted by bobsprinkle 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    C'mon freedom. You have been a seemingly reason rational person in the past when posting here. Now you seem to support noone having license & registration. These things can be a pain in the butt. And I don't really like 'em either. But we gotta have some order and control. Do you believe in voter id?
    Warrant Next time? What is he gonna do in between. How many warrants are there gonna be for all the illegal aliens in America who do not show up for their court date? At some point the warrants become useless paper.
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  • Posted by 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    No I have no link to the video.
    IF I had a link to the entire video I could watch it and decide for myself. The video in the link has been edited from several different sources.
    "Police Chief Eric Johnsen shared a compilation of body camera footage from the five officers involved and dash camera video from the incident"
    Police are human beings. They could be mistaken about seeing a gun and trying to hide that act.
    Shouting "GUN,GUN,GUN" does not mean there was a gun in the hand of the driver.
    It means that whoever started shouting thought he saw a gun, and others repeated what they heard.
    The video is public record and the public should have full access, not just an edited version created by an unknown person.
    If you are asking 'do I trust the police?', the answer is "NO."
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  • Posted by bobsprinkle 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Are you saying the police did not see a gun and just decided on their own to execute this person. I hope not. Having seen your posts in the past, you seem to be a rational person. Do you have a link to the video?
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  • Posted by 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    The video is public record and the public should have full access.
    The free individual is the only thing that stands in the way of tyranny.
    The courts obviously have little if any concern for justice any longer.
    The police close ranks and hide the evidence any time their actions are questionable.
    The local authorities should just release all the video and the police should
    make their case with all the evidence in view.
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  • Posted by 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    A man dies because the police are trying to collect a tax that he thinks he doesn't owe.
    He may have acted foolishly, but the entire policing situation should be reassessed and
    police should never put anyone in a position of pulling a gun when the only thing the
    police are doing is collecting a tax for the looting scum in power.
    I'd string up the guys who put the police in that position and set an example for petty tyrants everywhere.
    Armed police should not be used for petty tax collection.
    Speed traps should also be a felony, imo.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    No gun, but a holster. The holster was empty when he was on the ground. I don’t know anyone who wears an empty holster. That holster didn’t get empty on its own. I sure didn’t see a cop pull a pistol out of it. Makes me believe that pistol is laying on the seat or floor of the car.

    If he had a gun and drew it in this situation behaving like that, he deserved death by cop.

    I completely agree police often behave badly, they systematically abuse and somehow have “special rights” that civilians don’t get. For example they get out of speeding tickets, and in many states, can possess and vary firearms (even in retirement) that we “peasants” can’t have. Oh, all this and the highest instance of domestic violence of any profession. I just don’t see this as a likely example of that entitled behavior.
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  • Posted by bobsprinkle 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I did not. I watched the video one time. But apparently the cops did. That is what they shouted as the video ended. We here will never know about that.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I would lean towards a cop. Not multiple cops and one person who failed to register his vehicle. No one should end u dead in this situation.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    In many states, the police can not legally serve a warrant for a misdemeanor offense such as a traffic infraction. Any such must be acted upon in the moment that the infraction occurred. It's one of the reasons why traffic cameras at intersections are so controversial.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    There is no such thing as a sovereign citizen. It's a paradox. A person may certainly claim to be sovereign in that they have prime rights over their person, but a citizen is a member of a larger society - a society which is regulated by the rules of that society. In a society of equals, before the rules may be changed, each member has to agree to the change either through a purely democratic process or through a representative process. But no single member has the right to arbitrarily alter the way things are done - which would be requisite if one was truly sovereign. The notion of "sovereign citizenship" is anarchist nonsense.
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  • Posted by 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    In the context of police are the law, and that is apparently our reality, I agree that he acted foolishly.
    In the context of 'who was harmed' by his action, the acts of the police were acts of tyranny.
    Many acts of governments today are tyranny under the original constitution and bill of rights.
    I still want to see the entire video. I saw no gun in his hand (or on his body) in the clip that was released.
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