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Police MURDER Innocent Man Who Does Not Consent To Tyranny

Posted by freedomforall 2 years, 1 month ago to Government
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Excerpt:
"An interesting thing about government – about government workers – is that they can legally do things that would be criminal under the law if we were to do them.

This begs the question about the morality of what government does – unless one takes the position that legality and morality are synonymous. In which case it is hard to understand why the leaders of National Socialist Germany – always important spell out the socialism that was at the core of that murderous regime – were prosecuted after World War II, given that the crimes they were charged with weren’t criminal, as a matter of (German National Socialist) law.

Government morality seems to boil down to this: If you do not follow its laws, government workers will – ultimately – kill you.

A young man named Chase Allen, who was 25-years-old, is dead because of a chain of events that began when a government worker decided to enforce a law requiring his car (all cars) to be “registered” with the government. Chase did not believe he had a moral obligation to “register” his car with the government and so he didn’t, apparently.

You may think the government has the right to enforce such laws, though it is difficult to understand how “government” – which isn’t a living being – can have any rights at all. It certainly has power, of course – but then, so did the National Socialists in Germany."
Original report:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...

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Government is out of control.
Agents of government are not being trained to honor individual rights guaranteed by the US constitution.
Instead they are provided with military weapons and trained to shoot first and ask questions later.


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  • Posted by tutor-turtle 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Lenny Bruce was the first shock comedian in the late 1950's and you saw how well that worked out for him. Then an unknown joker named Chris Rush came out in the late 1960's never to be heard from again. It wasn't until Richard Pryre came out in the early 1970's that society begin to tolerate such on-stage behaviour. Again note his demise. With the acceptance of public foul language, society followed suit. You have to wonder how many of these celeberties sold their soul to the devil for their fame?
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  • Posted by 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Too bad Dumb asa Rock doesn't realize others wish he'd shut up all the time.
    At least now he knows how one particular guy feels about his disgusting filthy mouth.
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  • Posted by bobsprinkle 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    That is what I remember from the one time I viewed the video. And as far as the cops mailing a ticket to you...passports do not have your current address. No license to provide that either. He could have given ANY address he wanted.
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  • Posted by tutor-turtle 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I do believe Timothy McVeigh was bagged under very similar circumstances. Driving while stupid.
    As the law is currently written, driving is a privilege, not a right.
    As Chris Rock pointed out in his PSA the eight simple rules to follow:
    "How not to get your ass kicked by the police"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mt...

    > Obey the Law
    > Use Common Sense
    > Stop Immediately
    > Turn That Shit Off
    > Be Polite
    > Shut The Fuck Up
    > Get a White Friend
    > Don't Ride With a Mad Women

    I can't count the number of times I've been pulled over for traffic violations over the past 48 years.
    "Yes Sir, No Sir" can make all the difference of getting off with a warning, or getting your ass kicked.
    I got myself a few tickets, but never a beating.
    Hint: If you want a warning, instead of a ticket, when the cop asks "Do you know why I pulled you over?" Be honest. Works almost every time.
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  • Posted by bobsprinkle 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    The police shouted that they saw a gun. Neither of us were there to witness. I only viewed the video once. I would lean to the cops. The cops do not want all the paperwork involved in a shooting. I know paperwork is a trivial thing in this case. BUT I still lean towards the cops. He had no id except for the passport. So, where are they gonna "mail" the ticket.
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  • Posted by $ rainman0720 2 years, 1 month ago
    If you drive a vehicle on the street, you're required to register it. Agree or disagree, it doesn't matter. That's what the law says; if you don't like it, then change the law. But it sure looks to me like he was reaching for a gun. I have no sympathy for this guy. I won't say he deserved to die, but the police do have the right to defend themselves if they think someone is about to draw a weapon. And it sure looks to me like he was doing just that.
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  • Posted by Flootus5 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    As an aside topic, Blarman raises an interesting issue that is probably worth an entire post on its own. The "sovereign" citizen theme. I have a passing understanding of what is probably meant by this, but really it begs the question - sovereign citizen of what?

    I would claim the same thing, but in the sense I am a sovereign citizen such as those with inherent rights emanating from a larger source, but also humbly recognized as such by a compact amongst like minded sovereign citizens - i.e., the United States founding documents. Not the hollow, compromised caricature that passes as legitimately authorized government these days.
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  • Posted by 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Definitely. The edited video does not show the gun and cuts away just at the wrong time. We can't tell whether the cops were correct or not.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    He was sitting down and there were multiple officers there. Police over reacted after unnecessarily escalating the situation.
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  • Posted by hm3buzz 2 years, 1 month ago
    I would like to see the unedited body cam video to see the full exchange. This is another example of media trying to control the narrative with selective editing....
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  • Posted by hm3buzz 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Until you've done shifts as a police officer in an environment where you never know if you will get to go home to your family, don't judge the decisions based on a minute long video......
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  • Posted by hm3buzz 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    He moved his hand toward the gun which indicates he was intending on pulling it. He refused to identify himself, he failed to comply with anything because he believed he didn't have to follow any laws. What's unacceptable here is the fact that these "sovereign citizens" think they are in the right.....
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  • Posted by richrobinson 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    No indication he "pulled" his gun. Minor infraction and they had his passport. All the information they needed. Police escalated and ended in murder. Unacceptable.
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  • Posted by bobsprinkle 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I am absolutely positive there are MORE people who do as they are asked and then move on ddown the road after a traffic stop tthan this little turd. In my opinion...he got what he deserved.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, we did not see them shooting the hell out of Mr. Allen who may or may not shot back.
    All that shooting definitely sounded fear-driven.
    Maybe all that shooting alone was viewed as a PR problem for the violence and perhaps also a gory mess.
    Nevertheless, that deprives us of complete transparency. I'll give you that.
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  • Posted by bobsprinkle 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    HE escalated the situation. You remove your license plate from your car and refuse to show your drivers license to the police and then see how much attention you get. And then pull a gun from your pocket.
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  • Posted by fairbro 2 years, 1 month ago
    If the kid did not understand he has an obligation to provide his ID, then he needs to be educated, not killed. And if the public school failed to educate the kid (fails to produce productive, happy and successful citizens), then that school should be defunded.
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  • Posted by 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    But in the video the cops are still in the same position at the car when the shouting started, so the camera angle should still be available and shown.
    So either there is a problem with the actions, or the people who assembled the video just want to create confusion among the viewers - which happens a lot these days intentionally.
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  • Posted by fairbro 2 years, 1 month ago
    Seems to me that the arrogant armed and trigger-happy Farmington Gestapo could have used a little more discussion before attacking his car like NATO hell-fire and scaring the kid into thinking the cops were going to kill him, which was a valid conclusion.

    Why did he think that he was being attacked by armed "thugs" and go for his gun? Probably because he had seen many previous examples of police shootings emanating like video stench from the provocative, hate-mongering, divisive, pro-violence media and (anti)social media
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually, taking your personal property with you, MUST be a right.
    This kid was stupid. Hands down. You do NOT draw a weapon.

    I've seen plenty of videos where the police have to let the people go,
    when they know the law. They can mail them a ticket.

    The problem happens ONCE you "sign in" to the system, then you agree to abide by it's rules.
    I am no expert, but I've been paying some attention to this.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    "Gun! Gun! Gun!" With someone yelling that, I'd be cutting away too.
    You're supposed to keep your hands in sight.
    Once I was pulled over for an illegal U-turn.
    Cop got spooked by the way I was eye-balling him in my left rear view mirror. Saw him unsnap his gun restraint on his holster.
    So I stuck both my hands out the window. Kept them on the steering wheel when he reached me.
    By then he was smiling. Let me go without a ticket.
    At the end of their shift, cops want to go home to their families.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 2 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    In a way, yes... Dr. Jordan Peterson has a clip about this. Justice must be adjudicated to be served without generating a "response".

    Without that, society fails, because, simply put... Every bad outcome becomes a life-long Hatfield, McCoy situation (gang banger/competing gangs). In fact, even most gangs learned to "put their own out" for crossing some lines, to keep the peace. That's how obvious this is.

    If your son killed my daughter, and I then kill your son, and then you kill my other son... I've watched this play out in Michigan with friends who were literally being killed attending the funeral of a murdered man, because they "killed" the person who did it, and the driver. The drivers family shot up the funeral, killing a couple more, wounding others.

    Our society is FRAGILE at best. Only government employees should be subjected to that kind of retaliation (LOL).
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