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  • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 3 months ago
    For those unfamiliar, America began to have its aircraft shot down by Russian SAM installations during the latter end of the Vietnam War. America's air superiority took a major hit. The Wild Weasels were F-4 Phantom jet fighters specifically geared with Electronic Countermeasure (ECM) equipment to detect these sites and try to either jam them and attack them or evade and attack. The military came up with a tactic which involved two flight crews: one of "bait" and one of "bombs."

    The "bait" team would fly toward a suspected SAM site in an attempt to lure the site into firing. The sites were laid out in a star (typically five or six launchers) with the C&C vehicle in the center. By going in at medium to high altitude, they would give the pilots enough time to see the missile trails out in front of them. (Missiles fired from behind could simply be outrun.) When the "bait" craft had identified at least three (and preferably four) trails, they could identify the location of the C&C vehicle - which was key. They would radio that position to the "bomb" crew who would then prosecute a low-level bomb run on the site in an attempt to kill as many of the vehicles as possible. Then the "bait" craft would "hit the deck" and try to evade the missiles coming after them.

    It was a controversial tactic as it placed the very best (and most expensive) American flight crews in extreme peril while risking less expensive Russian ground crews and equipment.
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    • Posted by 1 year, 3 months ago
      The Weasels remain a largely unknown and unappreciated chapter in American warfare history. Nearly 50 Weasel crews were lost in SE Asia combat, and while some of the survivors received commendation and even an occasional medal of honor, not enough can be said for their unexcelled combat bravery/flight skills.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 1 year, 3 months ago
    Moot point. Goldwater is dead and can't answer for himself.
    I doubt if anyone still alive was close enough to Goldwater to provide anything more than idle unsupported speculation.
    My unsupported opinion is that nuclear weapons would not have been used by Goldwater unless in response to direct
    Soviet attack on America.
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    • Posted by 1 year, 3 months ago
      What you say seems true, although Dems went way out of their way to assert in their media advertising that a vote for Goldwater was a vote for thermonuclear war. Remember the little girl on the swing when the blast from a nuclear detonation blows everything away? So that was the picture people had in their minds when they went to the polls.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 1 year, 3 months ago
        Yes, LBJ used fear to defeat a much better man.
        That was an egregious, but typical lie for LBJ and for many politicians who followed and copied him in DC.
        As young as I was when I first saw that ad, it was easily recognized as fear propaganda.
        If I had a time machine, preventing LBJ's birth would be a tempting target.
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        • Posted by mhubb 1 year, 3 months ago
          can i add to your list please...

          or we could give the Continental Congress some Winchester 1884s, with certain promises from them
          and an "improved" copy of the US Constitution

          :-)
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 1 year, 3 months ago
    We should have stayed out of that stupid war in the first place.
    The "Domino Theory" was military industrial complex propaganda and that is just what it proved out to be.
    Our Forefathers warned us about getting involved in foreign wars. What a waste of American lives!
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    • Posted by Ben_C 1 year, 3 months ago
      Absolutely. I was in college during that era and fully remember the draft lottery. I had a professional deferment but was at risk. Will NEVER forget the looks on the faces of those about to board the bus for boot camp. Dwight D warned us about the military industrial complex. Too bad the public didn't listen. Now War Marketing is off the charts.
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 1 year, 3 months ago
        Me dino got me suspended from a college (my parents insisted I attend) for grades because I just did not know what I wanted to do. I was only out for a semester (what Troy State called a quarter) but the draft board just could not wait to snatch me up for cannon fodder.
        When we were all on the bus and about 30 of us accounted for, some really worried guy asked the draft board.lady, "Mrs. Kennedy, are they still taking Marines?"
        To which Mrs. Kennedy replied, "Don't worry, they haven't taken any Marines for a whole month."
        Once we arrived at a base near Montgomery, an army lieutenant told us, "Well, this is the end of the month when we take Marines."
        I was one of four the Marines wanted. Not the worried guy, who may have gone to Nam. What the Marines needed were people suited to be Admin and Supply Clerks. I never got out of the Carolinas.
        Made corporal at the air base at Cherry Point, North Carolina, under meritorious conditions and having that paperwork always looked good on a job resume. Got an honorable discharge two months early on what was called "a school cut" and let the GI Bill pay for my education.
        And right on time Troy State opened a school of journalism which I took to like a duck on water to graduate and have a life without worrying about Uncle Sam making me play helicopter cowboys and Indians in a jungle against an enemy who successfully used Sun Tzu's "The Art Of War" as a combat strategy handbook.
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