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The Justice Department Was Dangerous Before Trump. It's TREASONOUS Now

Posted by freedomforall 2 months, 1 week ago to Politics
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"On Monday, August 8, Justice Department officials spent nine hours raiding the Mar-a-Lago home of Donald Trump, carrying out 12 boxes of material. When criticism ensued, FBI spokespeople in wounded tones insisted the press eschew the harsh term “raid,” and use “execution of a search warrant” instead.

“Agents don’t like the word ‘raid,’ they don’t like it,” complained former assistant FBI counterintelligence director turned MSNBC analyst Frank Figliuzzi. He added with unintentional irony: “It sounds like it’s some sort of extrajudicial, non-legal thing.”

But it was a raid, as the surprisingly enormous number of people who’ve been on the business end of such actions since 9/11 will report. The state more and more now avails itself of a procedural trick that would have horrified everyone from Jefferson to to Potter Stewart to Thurgood Marshall. Investigating, say, one lawyer, prosecutors raid a whole firm, taking everything — emails, client files, cell phones and personal computers — then have a supposedly separate group of lawyers, called a “taint” or “filter” team, examine it all. In this way they learn the private details of hundreds or even thousands of clients in a shot, all people unrelated to the supposed case at hand.

But, they say, don’t worry, we’re not using any of those secrets, you can trust us."
SOURCE URL: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/taibbi-justice-department-was-dangerous-trump-its-out-control-now


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    Posted by 25n56il4 2 months, 1 week ago
    Isn't it a shame? We can't trust the FBI. Growing up we all thought the FBI was something special now we learn how corrupt they are and we are pretty sure they've always been. I personally am deeply disappointed. No more heroes!
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    • Posted by mccannon01 2 months ago
      I'm with you, 25n56il4. I have respected the FBI most of my life as an elite "get the bad guys" police force. My faith was shaken at Ruby Ridge and Waco and by the time Robert LaVoy Finicum was shot I didn't trust them anymore. The shenanigans going on today only prove the FBI has been weaponized by the Neo Communists to aid in the destruction of what's left of Free America. They are no longer a justice force, but are a criminal force used mainly to crush political opposition. Now they are the bad guys. The head of the FBI today, whomever it may be, is Al Capone by another name.
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  • Posted by mhubb 2 months, 1 week ago
    all in the DOJ must go\
    unless there is positive evidence that they tried to do something to stop what is happening

    all pensions go also for these traitors, along with those in the FBI complicit, including those "just following orders"

    any that resigned due to this should be considered for being brought back
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  • Posted by NealS 2 months, 1 week ago
    Veeerry interesting, the agents at Mar-a-Lago had guns and it was just an "execution of a search warrant". On January 6th the people did not have guns but it was a "riot". And it's me that's confused?
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  • Posted by $ splumb 2 months, 1 week ago
    After Ruby Ridge, how could anybody trust the FBI?
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    • Posted by 2 months, 1 week ago
      The the FBI burned to death 76 innocent people including 25 children and 2 pregnant women in Waco a year later.
      Americans sat in silence and did nothing when no one was punished for any of those murders.
      DC has proven they are murdering traitors repeatedly.
      Time and again they have been given chances to reform.
      They have only committed worse acts of murder and now genocide.
      The federal government can't be reformed politically or peacefully.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 2 months ago
    Time to shut down ALL federal law enforcement, remove all prior law enforcement status from them, and start a single federal police agency (why not just marshals) with the Constitution as a guiding principle. All DEA, ATF, HS, FBI, CIA, IRS agencies either shut down, or all police capabilities removed. Information ONLY. One police to enforce. ONE!!!

    Also time to completely open government agencies and employees to prosecution for negligence, willful or accidental. Why would these people be exempt? This would fix an awful lot of overstepping.
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    • Posted by mccannon01 2 months ago
      Yes, it's to the point the average citizen has no idea how many alphabet agencies are armed and ready to kill them at a moments notice and for the most specious reasons. I know I don't know them all. I'm sure there are more than you enumerated, Thor. Anyone got a list? Is it even possible at this stage to even compose a list?
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  • Posted by $ blarman 2 months, 1 week ago
    The Justice department started going downhill under Bush, then Clinton, where Congressional Democrats figured out just how worthless an investigation into a President can be (Starr report). Justice got its power tremendously expanded under Bush II with the PATRIOT act. Obama really weaponized it, as was shown by Eric Holder being the first Attorney General to be held in contempt of Congress. He was still never prosecuted for "Fast and Furious." And for all the claims in favor of Jeh Johnson, he wasn't a saint. Now under Garland we have a bunch of political brown shirts being led by a jilted thug.
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  • Posted by starguy 2 months, 1 week ago
    At this point, I'm not sure the Swamp can be "drained".
    It might be quicker, simpler, and less painful, to pull out a blank sheet of paper, and start from scratch, like they did in 1787, by scrapping the Articles of Confederation.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 2 months ago
      It's not the Constitution which is the problem, however. It is the mountains of Administrative law which have been permitted to stand which need to be burned out.

      First, you have to eliminate all of the agencies and cabinets which aren't specifically authorized in the Constitution (until Amendments so authorize them). My simple and easy fix is just to constrain the budget to only allow outlays which 1) prioritize debt payment and 2) are limited to total tax receipts from two years prior. No more deficit spending. Period. And if you want to go to war, it means taking money from other parts of government or asking for donations to do it. There's nothing better than a little competition to force some belt-adjusting.

      Second, you have to force Congress to review and approve every single one of these proposed "administrative" rules before they can go into effect. And I don't mean by a committee majority vote, but by a full Congressional vote. Since the judges refuse to remand such decisions to Congress for clarification of their intentionally vague statutes, let's make Congress by law review, debate, and pass changes through the established process. And then they can also be held accountable for them.

      That being said, there are a few Constitutional changes I would make, such as revoking the 12th, 16th, and 17th Amendments to start... I think I would also include an additional section in Article III covering the revocation of tenure if one's decisions were overturned by a Superior Court too many times...
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      • Posted by 2 months ago
        👍
        No law requiring funding can be passed without it being read aloud on C-Span and having public review.
        If you want to go to war it must be declared by congressional vote.
        I would also urge an amendment to clarify the qualifications for POTUS and VP.

        There are a lot of federal powers that must be revoked as they are not explicitly stated in the constitution.
        The federal reserve act must be reversed and a hard money standard reinstated that gives no power to the banking cartel.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 2 months ago
          I would support a law like we have in my state where any proposal must be read on the floor before a quorum three times before it can become law. It gets read once prior to being assigned to a committee. Once more when it comes out of committee (because there are usually amendments) but before debate, and one last time right before the vote it tallies. Let's just say that there are no omnibus spending packages which even make it to committee, let alone the floor for debate!
          The other provision is that the three readings may NOT take place on the same day. There is no "fast-tracking" of bills. Allows for a good, deliberative process. Or as good as can be asked for.

          "If you want to go to war it must be declared by congressional vote."

          All they have to do is rescind the War Powers Act. That's the one which gives the President the ability to go to war for 30-60 days without requiring a vote from Congress. Now people are going to argue that we have to be able to respond to terrorist attacks, etc. but we always have the ability to defend ourselves. Congressional action authorizes offensive actions and - most importantly - the funding for such actions. See my previous post about spending.

          "I would also urge an amendment to clarify the qualifications for POTUS and VP."

          We already have those: that the person must be a "natural-born citizen" (meaning a child of at least one US citizen who has held US citizenship their entire life), and must be 40 years old. (Naturally, we should enforce the one that a VP must be similarly qualified.) Are there others you would propose we add?

          "There are a lot of federal powers that must be revoked as they are not explicitly stated in the constitution."

          Agreed. I would propose the following: that all proposed legislation MUST include a preamble stating the basis of Constitutional authority underpinning the proposed legislation (and upon which any legal challenges would then be filed).

          "The federal reserve act must be reversed and a hard money standard reinstated that gives no power to the banking cartel."

          Agreed. While I'm not wholly opposed to the notion of a Bank of the United States, it #1) should not be a private institution masquerading as a public one, #2) be subject to annual audits which results must be reviewed and approved by Congress, #3) rely on a hard currency standing. I would also state quite clearly that bulk conversions of currency to specie for export, however, would be subject to a graduated export tariff to prevent similar "runs" on specie as what we saw in the 1930's.
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          • Posted by 2 months ago
            The definition of 'natural born citizen' has been subject of numerous debates.
            Proof of such must be easily available for examination by any American citizen.
            An examination to prove authenticity of the original document(s) is vital.
            Obama's birth documents have still not been proven authentic, imo.
            I would extend such birth requirements to senators and con-gresspeople.
            (We have also posted at length about term limits and campaign financing laws that should be changed.)
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      • Posted by mccannon01 2 months ago
        +1 that! The Constitution is actually a pretty decent document, but the termites getting away with eating at it are the problem, as you point out. Yeah, you can kill the amendments you listed, too!
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    • Posted by 2 months, 1 week ago
      Scrapping the Articles was the first error that put America on the path to domestic tyranny.
      That may have delayed tyranny from European powers, but today we are threatened with
      tyranny by European international financiers (WEF) in addition to domestic tyranny from
      the Deep State.
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      • Posted by $ blarman 2 months ago
        Disagree. Without the Constitution, the States would have degenerated (further) into petty squabbles and eventually have been individually destroyed and taken over by Britain (they refused to give up the Forts on the border until after the War of 1812), France (in lieu of payment owed for debts incurred during the Revolutionary War - wouldn't that be a reversal of the Louisiana Territory!), Spain (who already held much of the South including Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana, and the Netherlands (another little ballyhooed funder of the Revolutionary War). They never would have made it to have a Civil War in the first place.

        Few people realize how close we came to failing completely under the Articles of Confederation. It was only the charisma and temperament of George Washington himself who halted Shay's Rebellion and it was only Washington's presiding authority at the Continental Congress during the debate on the Constitution - along with Benjamin Franklin's statesmanship - which prevented that assembly from dissolving in the first place. It was nothing short of a miracle - with all the divine implications - which made the Constitution possible.

        Now does that change the perils we are facing today? Not a whit. And you have correctly identified two major sources. And much like it was the Founders challenge 230+ years ago, it is our challenge to decide if we want to retain a Constitutional republic or allow it to fall to the tyranny which awaits if "good men do nothing." While I hope that our differences may be resolved peacefully, I am ready to stand and fight for freedom and liberty if necessary.
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        • Posted by 2 months ago
          You may be right about the danger from Europe (as I stated "tyranny from European powers") but that is in no way certain.
          France was an economic basket case after the war. England had just lost a war with the colonies.
          Most of Alabama and Mississippi of today were part of colonial Georgia under the 1787 Treaty of Paris
          that ended the Revolutionary War, and Spain was losing power every year due to their own monarchs' stupidity.
          You believe the states united would have shattered and been conquered. I don't believe that as likely. We can't know.

          I agree that we have to deal with the present threats, not the past, and the Constitution (and especially
          the Bill of Rights) as originally intended are the basis of our chances of individual liberty.
          I can't see the Deep State peacefully giving up the powers they have stolen.
          They have proven to be liars, looters, traitors, and murderers of innocent people.
          If we are to be free, we will have to fight the Deep State.
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          • Posted by $ blarman 2 months ago
            As you said, the past is the past. I base my comments largely from the Founders' own comments regarding the Articles of Confederation as quoted in Skousen's The Making of America: The Substance and Meaning of the Constitution
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            • Posted by 2 months ago
              There was quite a difference of opinion in that group, too.
              Quite a few wrote that a bill of rights was not needed.
              That was either quite naive or an attempt to concentrate power with no protection for the people.
              Where would we be if no bill of rights had been added as the first 10 amendments?
              imo, individual liberty would have been dead in this country before 1850.
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              • Posted by $ blarman 2 months ago
                Always going to be differences of opinion. It's why the Founders adopted Federalism: they understood that one-size-fits-all doesn't work in the realm of imperfect men (and women).

                Most who originally discounted the need for a Bill of Rights did so looking at the Constitution from a positive abilities role: because it explicitly delegated things to the Federal government they thought that de facto it left everything else to the States. Naive or otherwise, nearly all of them voted in favor of the provisions presented into what became the Bill of Rights and championed its passage later.

                We can always look back with hindsight; especially two hundred years of hindsight. ;) Are there a few adjustments we could make having seen the effects of two hundred+ years of execution of what was - and largely still is - the most brilliant political theory for self-government ever attempted? I think few would argue otherwise. Even the Founders admitted that their goal was "a more perfect union" (emphasis mine). And that is surely the case: most of the perversions we have seen have come from people who eschew freedom. They foolishly believe that they can - and should - control others. And so they seek to undermine the system in any way they can.
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                • Posted by 2 months ago
                  Well stated. 👍
                  "perversions we have seen have come from people who eschew freedom"
                  Unfortunately, that describes every government in history. Power always corrupts and attracts people with malleable ethics.
                  Some of the founders knew this; others didn't, or ignored it. The latter are the ones the current Deep State frequently uses for propaganda.
                  (A disgusting musical propaganda play comes to mind.;^))
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  • Posted by bobsprinkle 2 months, 1 week ago
    Wonder how the ratings for the 3 FBI tv shows starting tonite will be considering the current environment. I enjoyed them last season before the RAID.
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    • Posted by 2 months, 1 week ago
      We all love to see justice being done on tv, but it's fiction, not fact.
      All tv shows about the federal police forces and the federal "just-us" system are propaganda.
      That has been the case for decades. The FBI works to defend the bankster's system of theft
      by unconstitutional law.
      There will never be any justice in this system, by design.
      It is utterly corrupted.
      The alternative investigative journalism, published online, exposes the facts
      about every fraud that the federal government commits. The mainstream
      media (propaganda lapdogs for the state) claim its all just conspiracy theory
      and the mainstream media are repeatedly shown to be lying traitors.
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      • Posted by term2 2 months ago
        We are gettimg closer to Nazi Germany's Fascism day by day.
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        • Posted by mccannon01 2 months ago
          I think we've already arrived on the Mussolini/Hitler fascism doorstep. The Neo Communists goal is to pass through that stage to Stalin's communism. Interestingly Mussolini, accredited with inventing fascism, was originally a Marxist, but realized communism wouldn't work and brought the world fascism instead. Hitler admired Mussolini for that and copied fascism. Others admired him, too. Fascist regimes that survived WWII were Franco of Spain and Peron of Argentina.
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