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For Discussion: Q: How To Cut Costs and Improve Medical Care. A: Symptom amelioration drugs should never be given patent protection and should never be paid by insurance or government.

Posted by freedomforall 2 years, 11 months ago to Ask the Gulch
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Big Pharma gets most profits for drugs (paid for by government and insurance) that deal with symptoms. The industry appears to avoid cures at all costs (possibly because profits are lower.)

How to change the rules to encourage Big Pharma and the Medical Care Industry To Provide Cures, Not Just Treat Symptoms?

Symptom amelioration drugs should never be given patent protection and should never be paid by insurance or government. Only treatments that are proven cures (without side effects) should have patent protection and increased profit incentives.

That might force pharma to find cures to get big profits, and would put the lowered costs of symptom treatment directly on the patient.

Any other ideas?


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  • Posted by lrshultis 2 years, 11 months ago
    What do you consider a cure? Some examples please so that I can know whethert you consider whether the five life saving drugs that I take to be alive for a while yet but leave me with the same underlying disease are considered a cure of some kind. As far as I know there are very few drug curable diseases other than bacterial infections curable with antibiotics.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 2 years, 11 months ago
    Patents and prescription requirements should not exist at all in a free market.

    And corporations should have only the same rights and responsibilities as any other form of business organization. There should be no legal double standard.
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  • Posted by term2 2 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I dont like that drug companies could hide things they know are bad, and the courts seem to deal with those perhaps too much. In the end, its the fact that hospitals and even people would no longer keep those companies in business.

    As an aside, hospitals are picky about using materials they feel are unsafe or dont have some sort of watchdog approval. If the FDA were closed up, other free market watchdogs would spring up because hospitals would require in short order that someone knowledgeable tested and approved the items.

    With electrical approvals, there is UL and ETL in competition. When I was making electrically powered items for hospitals, they required one or the other approval. UL was arrogant and bureaucratic, so we went with ETL. FDA would have competition right away I think if they didnt have monopoly power.
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  • Posted by 2 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The patent law protection, a government created privilege, as written encourages research into symptom amelioration
    and discourages research into cures that actually improve health. This is not the free market, it is created by government.
    Government should not exist that effectively causes harm to the people it serves.
    Therefore, if patent law can be changed to serve the people better instead of enrishing a few at the peoples' expense,
    then should it be changed to do so?
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 2 years, 11 months ago
    Well, as long as there is no fraud involved, why shouldn't there be a patent protection? People who get patents do have to pay for them, don't they? But they shouldn't be allowed to claim the drug cures if in fact it doesn't.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 2 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm still waiting for Islet Replacement Therapy to complete its trials. It wouldn't necessarily nullify the autoimmune response that caused the problem, but it could restore some natural functionality to the pancreas.

    If you see an update on her studies, please post. I am interested!
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  • Posted by term2 2 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Very good info. Doctors usually only want to prescribe pills, since its easier I suppose. When I got more control over T2D, I was eating basically one meal a day of low carb (double avocado chicken salad at pollo loco), and broccoli for dinner. Made huge difference, at the expense of finding that I really didnt WANT to eat at all- kind of took the fun out of eating.

    I will be more experimentive using some of the things you talk about. Thanks
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 2 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    +1,000
    yes, Competition among the players.
    And the court issue is why children are getting the jab. So the Drug Companies don't have liability!
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 2 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Okay, Fasting for T2D is the SINGLE BEST approach if you have excess body fat.

    The trick is to be BELOW 20g of carbs per day, and to only eat TWICE in the day. No snacking, no diet drinks. Do that for 2 weeks.

    Then suddenly, fasting becomes an option.

    It's simple chemistry. We are such food addicts. Myself included. The best thing to do is to measure ketones and glucose. Also, fatty liver can take 72hrs of fasting to get rid of the excess fat. But OLD Crystalized Glycogen can take a long time for your body to break down. A history of Yo-Yo dieting with your weight makes it harder.

    The first Resource is Dr. Ken Berry on YouTube, and then Dr. Boz The Keto Continuum.
    She put her mom's cancer into remission! When you start realizing that most of our diseases all stem
    from our poor diets, it blows you mind.

    Fasting is easy. It's the NOT EATING part that is hard! (Because we eat out of boredom, Connection,
    addiction, and numerous other reasons). Remember when you were a kid, playing outside and it was dinner time, but you didn't want to come in and eat because you were having fun? Eating was a disruption to your fun.

    Nowadays, eating is the ONE pleasure we can count on (for many of us). That's SAD, and the foods are made hyper-palatable (why can't you eat just one?)...

    Anyways. if you have excess body fat. Get into Ketosis. Then learn to stretch the window of time before you eat. Either by having an earlier and earlier dinner, or a later and later breakfast.

    It took my brother 4 weeks of simply moving his breakfast 15 minutes later once he got comfortable with it being moved. In the first week he moved it once. Then twice, then three times. Then it was basically 30 minutes before lunch.

    Good Luck. I can tell you that eating MULTIPLE times/day creates MULTIPLE insulin releases and stalls weight loss. I can eat MORE FOOD in one sitting than in 3, and lose weight, versus gain or stay the same. It took a lot of research and testing on myself to get there.

    But if I needed to only eat 3 meals a week because of food shortages... I am good. I can do that without feeling like I am being tortured.

    finally, Dr. Fung taught us... If you don't feel right while you are fasting, break your fast! I have broken my fast because of not feeling right tons of times. I'd rather try and fail than to not try! 7 days is my longest fast, and 3 months was my longest stretch of eating only 3 days a week!

    If you are consuming diet sodas... it can block you from getting into ketosis, and makes fasting almost impossible for me...
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  • Posted by term2 2 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Business wants to make money, I get it. It might just be that if people want cures, they are going to have to pay for them some other way than the insurance/pharma connection.

    I remember years ago that I couldnt get a knee replacement that I needed UNTIL I got my HbA1C under 7. Needless to say, I found a way and got the knee replacement. It wasnt the way the family doc suggested. I just ate one real meal a day at lunchtime which was extremely low carb (boring somewhat), and ate only broccoli for dinner for months, and I checked blood sugar at least twice a day so I could estimate what my HbA1C was going to be without waiting 3 months for the test.
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  • Posted by term2 2 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As life becomes more complicated , its harder for regular people to pick practitioners of medicine, and drug companies making the drugs. Hence the call for the FDA, AMA, etc. BUT- government isnt the way for this to go in that what starts out honest quickly becomes bureaucratic and beholden to political interests. Competion among "watchdogs" is what we need so that what they say meets the light of day and they have to be careful. The courts also seem to do a better job than the FDA in the end.
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  • Posted by term2 2 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    T1D used to be fatal in that people had to eat so little to keep their blood sugar under control that they starved, as least thats what I understand.

    As to T2D, i think that fasting would bring down blood sugar, but its not a practical solution for people who want to stay alive... I cut carbs to about 50 grams a day (quite difficult actually), but am having a lot of trouble keeping blood sugars down. I think that there must be some genetic element to this disease also.
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  • Posted by term2 2 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    competition makes things better, even though as a business person it forces us to constantly improve
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  • Posted by Aeronca 2 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, the whole political human pile are social climbers looking to feather their nests. Everything they say are lies. Self-service. Not Public-service. How can you tell when a politician is lying? Their lips are moving.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 2 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Quickly, no link I processed the info 4 years ago.

    But it was the MUTLATED Milk Proteins from processing that triggered the immune response.

    Dr. Bernstein has led the way in Type I reducing insulin to the bare minimums with carbohydrate restriction. They are now FASTING Type I's who have been over medicating at their doctors request and are showing Type II signs of insulin resistance! Amazing stuff.

    Your family is lucky you Grok the science...
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  • Posted by $ blarman 2 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My daughter and father-in-law are solid Type I (my pa-in-law for 50+ years and my daughter for almost 20 now) and I know several other people who are Type II. Those "1.5's" you say are those who start with Type II and refuse to do anything about it, so they migrate from Type II to Type I as their bodies shut down. But the cause is still radically different. Type I is an autoimmune disorder: the body's own defenses attack and destroy insulin-producing cells in the pancreas. Type II is an eating disorder where the pancreas is literally worked to death. The end result may be similar between Type I and end-stage Type II, but in all other facets they are completely different.

    I, too, wish that they were called distinctly different names. In fact most people don't know the difference. After my daughter was diagnosed (at 2 years old BTW), we had some extremely ignorant people ask we couldn't just adjust her diet. After about the fourth or fifth time I gave up trying to explain as most of them were only interested in giving unwanted advice and not in actually learning anything.


    It is an interesting theory. The problem is that insulin doesn't target fats but carbohydrates, allowing them to pass through a cell membrane into the cell to be utilized in metabolism. I'm not really sure how fat proteins would cause an auto-immune disorder. A fat is basically a huge lipid chain with an OH on one end. The body can metabolize these chains either in whole or in part by chopping them down. Proteins are the working engines of the body: unless those fats were getting broken down into proteins and the subsequent folding of those proteins was causing a problem... Eh. I'm not seeing it initially, but if you want to post a link to the paper I'll take a look.
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  • Posted by 2 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, I agree. Just my opinion on reality of our corrupt system:

    -Big Pharma, Big Medcare, Big Insurance, AND the Bureaucracy will oppose it.
    -The left will oppose it because it meddles with Obamacare which works so well for the poor. Horrors!
    -They will claim that complete overhaul of the payment system is very complex, not simple.
    -The media will make it seem like it's worse than giving heroin to newborn babies. Let uninformed patients decide about drugs? Half of them have below average IQ!
    QED: No chance in the world this comes out of con-gress with anything to help. Pharma and Insurance will find a way to make it an expansion of Obamacare that creates additional agencies controlled by them.

    Of course, anything we suggest that affects profits for Big Pharma, Big Medcare, and Big Insurance will have many of the same issues.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 2 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Interesting. Part of the problem is in diagnoses. Some Type IIs are actually Type Is or 1.5s as some people call them (Radically Deficient, but not 0 Insulin Levels). And sometimes they go low carb, and REGAIN a bit more insulin function.

    A Hungarian Doctor (Sofia Clemens) has a PKD Diet for treating (really zero carb), and very high in fat.
    But she has a working theory that the Modern Milk Proteins are so distorted they are too similar to islet cells, and that milk is behind what causes the auto-immune attack on the islet cells. Interesting Theory.

    Are you familiar with Dr. Bernstein?
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 2 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I do think my prescription medication suggestion could pass, impeded only by big pharma lobbying. It is so simple, and arguing against it doesn't pass the newspaper test.

    Forcing insurance through the patient can't happen because the idiot progressives want to relieve all responsibility from people, and the disgusting RINOs are in the pockets of insurance, big pharma and the AMA (communist totalitarian organization protecting doctor's salaries).
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  • Posted by 2 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I know some, too, but they are all useful idiots.
    Based on my observation and experience, those in positions
    of power only mean well for their own power and wealth.
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  • Posted by 2 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    👍 And none of the 'cures' are profitable for Big Pharma or for the existing system that delivers poor, expensive medical "care."
    There is a complete lack of "Care" in the system.
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  • Posted by 2 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree, of course, that the one getting the treatment should feel the feedback "pain" of
    making payments to limit unnecessary or excessive treatments. That is ultimately the
    primary problem with the existing failed system and a failure of all insurance plans,
    regardless of who pays, private for-profit companies or government.

    The patient is the first judge of the quality of the treatment and in this system the patient's
    dissatisfaction is rarely, if ever, allowed to interrupt the constant flow of funds that pay for poor treatment.
    (The spice must flow! ;^)
    This system gives a false sense of security to patients that someone with expertise is monitoring
    quality of care. That function is essentially lacking and that allows the profit motive to override
    quality of care as the system is currently structured.

    My goal in posting this is to uncover a first step that is relatively easy to understand and has
    some chance of being implemented without an armed revolution.
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