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  • Posted by 25n56il4 2 months ago
    Why are all these food processing plants experiencing fires and explosions? Is this a concentrated effort of some sort? There are too many to simply be coincidental.
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    • Posted by TheRealBill 2 months ago
      We have over 36,000 of these types of facilities. There are too many for a dozen or two to be significant.

      Consider, what are the odds we don't have a dozen or so problems like this every year out of some 36,000 facilities? I'd say pretty low. If the odds of this happening at any random facility 1:1000 we'd generally expect around 36 per year.

      If two dozen such incidents happened, we'd be talking about 24/36000 - or about 0.07% of plants affected. In my estimation there simply are not enough for it not to be sheer coincidence.
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    • Posted by 73SHARK 2 months ago
      Not only that but the number of these types of incidents has been increasing over the last several years. Tucker Carlson pointed that out on his show tonight, 4-25-22.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 2 months ago
    All good ones! Interesting about the apparent assault on food production - looks like a good case of follow the money.

    When I saw that awful Hollywood depiction of Darius I (or was that Darius II?) I was appalled. The King Of Persia never looked so creepy. I wonder how many think that was a reasonable depiction - not even close!
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    • Posted by mccannon01 2 months ago
      To correct my own historical reference, the king of Persia during the battle of Thermopylae was Xerxes I, not Darius I. It was Darius III who was conquered by Alexander the Great. It's been a long time since I read this history so I guess the old memory is slipping and I should be more careful when "shooting from the hip". I still assert no self respecting Persian king would look like the creep in the movie.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 2 months ago
    Re: "Lying as a Way of Life": I think that there are a few cases where lying is morally permissible, because of the nature of truth, and of lying.I mean: when you are being forced to make a statement which everybody hearing it knows is forced, and therefore has no meaning (as when Galileo was forced to declare that the earth was not round and does not go around the sun.) Ayn Rand defended Cdr. Lloyd Bucher's false confession on such a ground (in the '60's.
    When the lie is being told to someone else who is himself guilty of such a lie (when he has stolen something by fraud, and the person hearing the lie knows he has forfeited the right to expect the truth.) (This applies to telling a hold-up man you don't have any money, and, similarly, to dealings with the IRS).
    I don't think it is moral in cases that are not like that.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 2 months ago
    I am afraid that I don't understand what Disney's "self-governing districts" were. Were they just pieces of private property where people could do what they wanted--including violate the laws of the state (including commit murder, commit theft, child molestation, rape, robbery, fraud, etc.)? Or were people who went onto these "preserves" (or whatever they were) required to agree to be subject to all these crimes (although child molestation cannot properly be called "agreed to")? Or were the inhabitants simply exempt from some zoning laws and building codes, and a few things like that? I haven't read an explanation of how it was, so I admit that as yet I don't really understand the issue.
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    • Posted by TheRealBill 2 months ago
      Essentially it is imbued with the authority and powers of a county, but none of the constraints of being an actual government body. it goes down to what EPCOT was originally intended to be.

      It wasn't supposed to be a theme park, but an experimental fully-planned city. It was to have residential areas, services, the works. But quickly Disney started carving stuff off to avoid making those things, then, after Walt passed, the basically abandoned the idea of building and running a city.

      It went well beyond zoning and building codes. Everything a city or county would ordinarily do, Disney had. roads, fire department, bridges, building codes, sidewalks, taxes - all of it.

      Essentially I think it helps to think of what we'd want an actual Gulch to have at that level.

      Because it was run by the Disney corporation it wasn't a matter of "passing laws" but instead making corporate decisions. They have/had a board of supervisors (or similar name) that had 5-6 people on it "elected" by the residents. That may sound not so bad, but understand that "residents" is not only a very narrow term here, it is very narrow in scope.

      If memory serves, those "residents" are the senior (18-20ish?) employees of the company, and their "residence" is literally undeveloped land. Then there is a second class of "resident" and these are some employees and their family - numbering still under fifty or so. And by "second class" I mean that they have no say in the board of supervisors, only in the city officials' election - because they don't own any land there.

      Granted, my knowledge of it is a bit dated, but I suspect it hasn't really changed much in the last several years.

      There is a solid argument for dissolving this that had nothing to do with their wokeness virus. Chief among them would be that Disney Corp, rather quickly, abandoned its side of the agreement. They never built the city they were supposed to, and actively took measures to not do the things it agreed to. From that perspective, they've not upheld their end of the contract, and dissolution is an appropriate response.

      Edit: oh, and the bill wasn't just about Disney, it also abolished 5-6 other such districts in Florida.
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    • Posted by 73SHARK 2 months ago
      The way I heard it explained one night was that the district was like a separate county. Not sure if they could pass laws that were different than the state or not
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  • Posted by $ pixelate 2 months ago
    Regarding the food processing sites and destruction -- someone, that we all know, once opined "mistakes of this magnitude are never made innocently."
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