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I need to create a local Gulch where I am now

Posted by BrettRocketSci 8 months, 3 weeks ago to Going Galt
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Some of us can't move to a different location.

Some of us don't want to, all things considered.

This doesn't mean we should compromise on our other values, like finding good people to work with. To hang out with. To trade with. To enjoy local events and establishments with. And to have intelligent, stimulating, and educated conversations along the way.

And to know you are living with basic needs of food, shelter, security, safety, and energy. Recreation is important too.

Basically, I want to figure out how to live free and happy in an unfree and neurotic world (which it seems to be from my vantage).

No matter where we live, don't we all have to figure this out to some extent or another?

What if the secret to "Going Galt" is to figure out how you can do that no matter where you live? That's the promised land I want to live in.


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  • Posted by Eyecu2 8 months, 3 weeks ago
    I believe that you have struck upon the correct answer here and this is why I have moved to the field of education. I know that this seems counter intuitive but I work within the system and do everything that I can to save the few students that I encounter with the ability to think for themselves. The rest I ensure that they are exposed to a different way of thinking while I stand back and watch it all burn.

    In April of 2020 I moved everything that I have into oil stocks and predicted that oil would do exactly what it is currently doing. I will never be rich but I also won't go hungry.
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  • Posted by $ katrinam41 8 months, 3 weeks ago
    This is one rocking post:) Thank you BrettRocketSci for posting and thank you everyone for so much great information. Idiocracy 42, you are far more than a prepper. You are a true survivor. We who are about to take the full plunge salute you!
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    • Posted by 8 months, 3 weeks ago
      Thanks! :-) I'll take credit for starting it but it's great answers and examples from people like Idiocracy42 who I was hoping would pick up the ball and help move it forward. Onward!
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    • Posted by Idiocracy42 8 months, 3 weeks ago
      LOL, all I can say is that it is a journey. Prepper is such a loaded term these days. I suppose I am one, but for me, I am just trying to rely less on systems that I don't fully trust and find a bit of satisfaction in learning and having (some) success with new things.
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  • Posted by mhubb 8 months, 3 weeks ago
    join a gun range
    find people there that are like minded

    you need
    guns and ammo
    food, water, non-GMO seeds
    water filters
    solar panels and batteries to hold the power
    generators, fuel
    wood stoves (for emergencies)
    night vision

    and all the electronics need to be protected from an EMP

    as a start
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    • Posted by 8 months, 3 weeks ago
      I appreciate the advice. Gun range is probably a good place to start to find like-minded people. What I also don't want to do is live like an off-grid prepper in the middle of civilization. I don't think that's feasible or sustainable.
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    • Posted by $ Commander 8 months, 3 weeks ago
      And 150 quart jar equivalent per person as a starter for canning.
      Lots of salt, sugar, vinegar and rice as a two year consumption plan.

      Nothing can replace written instructions on food storage and medical practices. Lots of books.
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      • Posted by Idiocracy42 8 months, 3 weeks ago
        150 is a great estimate. I put up about 250 jars/person in 2021, about 2/3 of that was from canning.
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        • Posted by $ Commander 8 months, 3 weeks ago
          I'll be at your level this year.
          Also, found a great place for an ice house. North face of gravel and sand hillside. Easy to excavate and shore and waterproof from exterior flow. Finish interior estimated at 10x10x6 high. 30 inch straw insulation on 5 sides and a foot of sawdust floor. Only 150 feet from the pond for ice harvest.
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      • Posted by 8 months, 3 weeks ago
        Thanks for this advice too. But I want to create a permanent sustainable life for myself and my family that does not require eating from canned food for the rest of our lives. I need to create a permanent parallel economy that can provide a decent, even enjoyable, quality of life.
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        • Posted by $ Commander 8 months, 3 weeks ago
          I should have "qualified" canning. By the end of this summer 95% of my foods will come from my gardens and my permaculture association. I'm growing specialty items to trade for the things I don't produce.
          By the end of next year I can have highly specialized garlic/s that can provide over $10k income and complete seed stock for the next year. The one thing we have at a premium is space, low density population, and lots of fertile soils.
          If I extend out within the network, approximately 50 small farms and families are participating.
          Another of my developed skills is that of pruning fruit trees. This becomes a teaching/social event for a full spectrum of folks. Butchering chickens is another one of these events for bringing many hands to lighten work.

          Village in process. Kids are having fun learning.....some 20+ home schooled so far. Ages 1 to 14.
          Just some ideas to think of modeling.
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          • Posted by 8 months, 3 weeks ago
            wow, this is awesome achievement. Congrats! Maybe I should work on creating a farming co-op or private association... members only.
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            • Posted by $ Commander 8 months, 3 weeks ago
              Humans work best in groups. Often to our detriment, when the group becomes so large that personal aquaintance is no longer possible or ,key element, desireable, the group begins a slow entropy.

              When I have first hand contact every day, or week, I, and my contacts, maintain a cultural value structure. It is the nature of permaculture to be first hand involved in my literal survival. Peter Mayer, from Stillwater MN addressed this in one of his tunes thus: The things I need come from these shelves. They all just seem to make themselves. I plant no seed and I tend no vine......I have no feast at harvest time.

              I swear by my life......LOL! And I prove by my actions that I am a trust worthy companion. I take care of and for myself so well that I have capacitance to do the same for others should their mortality require.

              Travel about. Reach out. Express your desire to be a part of a healthy dynamic of interdependence. Read everything you can toward and end to be completely independent and share this freely, creating community.

              Go Amish....so to speak.
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        • Posted by lrshultis 8 months, 3 weeks ago
          You might get some ideas on changing some ideas on living from Harry Browne's
          "How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World: A Handbook for Personal Liberty"
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          • Posted by 8 months, 3 weeks ago
            Thanks. I tried to order that book but ran into trouble... I forget - maybe I could only find copies for over $100 because it's out of print? I'll have to try again.
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            • Posted by lrshultis 8 months, 3 weeks ago
              Amazon sells it. I read it decades ago but it is listed as 2014. Maybe a reprint.
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              • Posted by 8 months, 3 weeks ago
                Amazon terminated my author self-publishing account last year with no advance notice, no chance to remedy the situation beforehand, and no rational conversation for appeal. So Amazon is the last place I shop, only under high duress. You didn't know that - I appreciate the tip.
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                • Posted by lrshultis 8 months, 3 weeks ago
                  Seems like libraries in WI have mostly disposed of the book, just one copy in a high school library. I have 1500 books but must have given it away. I am 82 with a bad heart and trying give away books so that they not just be dent yo a landfill when I die. Mostly math, physics, chemistry, and some Rand and Branden, and other interesting stuff at least to me.

                  My brother used that publishing system and would receive a few dollars a year from Amazon. I read one of his books on line at Amazon. He did not know that it was free to read there.
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                  • Posted by 8 months, 3 weeks ago
                    Hmm, I see. That's a lot of books! Thought about making a new discussion post here in the Online Gulch to help give away those books? That could be a nice way to find people who appreciate them.
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    • Posted by $ katrinam41 8 months, 3 weeks ago
      Very good start. We also have extra medications and first aid necessities like antibiotic ointments, aspirin, bandages of all kinds, rubbing alcohol, eyewash, much more. That kind of thing is great for bartering as well.
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  • Posted by Idiocracy42 8 months, 3 weeks ago
    I was thinking about the social/meetup aspect of this thread. I never had much luck with finding a group based on politics, but then I’m a bit of an introvert anyway and I am probably married to the only person whose opinions match mine line by line.

    So, FWIW -
    What I have done though, is connect through a group focused on a lifestyle and it worked out well for me. It wouldn’t be the same for any of you, but it worked out for me.

    I belong to an online group of homesteaders… it is more of a skills group than social, and has members worldwide. Many homesteaders (and non-homesteaders) also receive supplies (from organic animal feed to groceries) from Azure Standard (https://www.azurestandard.com/?a_aid=..., via a truck delivery to a local drop point. Azure has drop points almost everywhere in the US.

    So I reached out to some of the local folks in the homesteading membership group and suggested that we meet at the monthly Azure drop. It gave us a simple meeting venue that works into what we're already doing. That worked out really well for me – we are all at different places in life but have a shared desire to learn how to live a better lifestyle. It is not a political group, and in truth we’ve never discussed politics specifically, but IMO, people who are seeking this kind of a lifestyle certainly have a few other things in common.

    Anyway, we chat off/on about things of interest – solar, bread-making, gardens, preps and whatever else makes us tick. The monthly Azure truck comes in this Sunday, and we’re planning to meet up for coffee in advance. It is a refreshing outlet and source of both support and inspiration. In truth, I’m glad we are not politically affiliated. There’s already too much of that for my taste.
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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 8 months, 3 weeks ago
    The very first part of the secret is to make sure you understand what Rand was telling us. She lived the latter part of her life in New York City, and not out in the boonies, even though she and Frank put some effort into trying to grow alfalfa when they lived in California.

    If you want to approach subsistence farming and have dairy and meat animals, goats are a lot easier and safer than cattle. You will need to make sure that you have neighbors who also have similar animals so you can avoid inbreeding. Alpine goats, rather than Nubian, are a good choice. Nubians are already too inbred and as my wife says, "Will die if you look at them cross-eyed." For goats you will generally need good fencing so they can be kept out of your vegetable garden. Your garden will also attract deer.

    For good off-grid solar-charged electric fencing your best sources are Caprine Supply and Premier1, both of which also have equipment and supplies you need but you would never imagine existed.

    If you are seriously interested in making your own woolen clothing you can raise sheep, which can also be good for milk and meat. Learn how to shear according to the Bowen method. That's what those Aussie and NZ shearers use, being able to do an animal in four minutes without nicking the flesh. It'll take you more than an hour, at first, and you'll wound your sheep substantially. Do not expect in the current market for wool to be able to sell the wool for more than what it costs to sharpen the blades of your electric shears. If you want to hand-shear, get a few pairs of Burgon and Ball shears and learn how to keep them sharp. Hand shearing is slower than mechanical, looks awfully dangerous but really isn't, and gives you a closer mutual understanding with the sheep about what you are doing. Look up the Tom Roberts painting "Shearing the Rams" to see how it is done, and do be careful. Never turn your back on a ram, and do not try to make friends with him. Learn to push his head sideways to teach him that you, not he, is in charge of him and his ewes.

    There is so much more. Pay some attention to how the Amish do things. Consider having a large family, even though Rand had no children at all except for you and me and zillions like us. Also look up the autobiography of Asa Sheldon. He tells of his joy in working teams of oxen. Here's a good copy of it: https://www.ponyspot.com/asa/asa-shel...
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    • Posted by Idiocracy42 8 months, 3 weeks ago
      You know, I had to laugh about the goats. They may be safer than cattle, but the little devils are sneaky and determined. They can and will expose every possible weakness on your property. Mine are boer goats, and I love them best when they are far out in pasture :-).
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      • Posted by $ Snezzy 8 months, 3 weeks ago
        There is a proven method for testing your fence for goatproofiness. Toss a bucket of water at the fence. If the water goes through, so will the goats.

        We find that 4x4 inch galvanized panels work fairly well. Regular cattle panels do not. Also, don't ever toss an escaped goat back over the fence. He'll then know, "Goats can fly!" He will teach the others to fly over the fence, and you'll have to install taller fence or put a mesh cap over the entire goat pen. Sometimes we just leave the goats out to wander around. They know where home is at dinner time.

        Some people train their goats to electric fence. Electric works very well for horses, because even if the fence is off for a couple of weeks the horses will respect it. Not so with goats. They test it frequently and sometimes just duck underneath it regardless. Or perhaps irregardless.
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        • Posted by Idiocracy42 8 months, 3 weeks ago
          Wander around? They do know when and where to come for dinner, but are ALWAYS confined to pasture (that pasture is about 10 acres, so they are pretty free).

          I have an oh-so-cute video of seven goats crawling around on top of the farm truck... That was two years ago and I swear I can still smell what ran down the windows. They are acrobatic masters of being where they ought not be.
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          • Posted by $ Snezzy 8 months, 3 weeks ago
            We established electric fence for horses, and never quite designed it for goats. So from time to time we discover that the goats have escaped into or out of the horse pasture. It'll always be at a time when we are about to leave, like to take ponies to a birthday party. So we just say, "The halibut!" and let them stay out. Besides, they'll munch some weeds that sorely need eating.

            As I've mentioned here in the Gulch before, Tony Hillerman, who wrote all those neat Navajo Tribal Police detective stories, attributed the phrase, "Telling the goats which weed to eat," to an old Navajo lady expressing the frustration of misdirected efforts.

            Side note: Anyone confused by the halibut should see this explanation: https://www.usingenglish.com/forum/th...
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    • Posted by 8 months, 3 weeks ago
      Thanks for all the tips. I'm not ready or able to get into the livestock world... maybe helping local people do that and become friends with them would be smart.
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      • Posted by $ Snezzy 8 months, 3 weeks ago
        Very much so. If you have a vegetable garden you will need to keep varmints out of it, and electric fence, which your livestock neighbors already understand, will be a good choice. Your own private Gulch should include enough people that you can accomplish division of labor. Also, some of the work needed for your Gulch will be things such as wrangling livestock, putting a new roof on your house, and shearing sheep that are all "a young man's job" and cannot be done well by folks my age. Helping livestock farmers is a good idea. You will learn how to avoid dangerous or expensive blunders.

        For a long time "city folks" have made fun of farmers as ignorant dolts. Going out and doing a bit of agriculture can change one's opinion.
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  • Posted by Idiocracy42 8 months, 3 weeks ago
    Herbals/Health

    This is a major work in progress for me. Books are my best resource – there is a LOT of nonsense and misinformation on the web. Trusted authors for me are Stephen Harron Buhner, Sam Coffman (his book by far is the best (Herbal Medic – A Green Beret’s Guide to Emergency Medical Preparedness), Rosemary Gladstar. I also have some good foraging books (John Slattery), but those will be local to your area.

    The books will help identify what you’d like to have on hand (and are very good at telling you how to use it), you need to figure out what will actually grow successfully in your area and find sources. Like the vegetable seeds, you need to find reliable sellers. For me, the first option is always Strictly Medicinal (https://strictlymedicinalseeds.com/), but there are certainly others. Also check out https://mountainroseherbs.com/.

    Figuring out how to get these planted and growing is a bigger effort – I generally do a separate search for each plant, and have to hit several sources to get all the info that I need. The requirements are all over the place – dry, wet, rich soil, poor soil, acid or alkaline, shade/sun, how to stratify, plant, harvest and store. Many of them are good companions in the veggie garden, many are not. Many/most are perennials and once they’re going you get them for free year after year.

    Read about herbal antivirals, herbal antibiotics, immune support, how to make tinctures and salves and teas… I really can’t make a decent list here. Start with Herbal Medic and see what interests you.
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    • Posted by mccannon01 8 months, 3 weeks ago
      Thank you, Idiocracy42, for taking the time to share all the information in your posts in this topic. Very important to know where to get some of the heirloom seed stock!
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  • Posted by DennisJeeves 8 months, 3 weeks ago
    A little poll here:
    Who here is actively looking to co-operate in some manner with people who are NOT located in your vicinity?
    If interested I can contact you, provided you give me your email/phone. Mine can be found on previous posts that I made, by following the link I provided.
    Alternatively if it's not me, perhaps someone can contact you.
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  • Posted by DennisJeeves 8 months, 3 weeks ago
    There is some good advice in the responses by mhubb ( the gun range one) , Idiocracy42 and others but it all hinges on individual accomplishments. ( and it's great, most people don't even do that) And individuals can only execute small projects. Larger projects (for example a clinic which can do major surgeries) require many more people and I'd be very interested in that. I also want to have one foot in the the mainstream worlds and one foot off-grid, because let's face it the mainstream does have something to offer like money ( for me it a job), tools etc.

    Unfortunately close co-operation for many people means a loss of individuality and has connotations of socialism, hence the trait is rare among independent thinkers. Anyway my thoughts are outlined here: https://quberoot.wordpress.com/
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    • Posted by 8 months, 3 weeks ago
      Thanks Dennis. You mention several things I also want and am concerned with. For the foreseeable future I need a job in the fiat world. And even in the ideal local "gulch" I need and want relations with other people for things like medicine, larger food variety, recreation, entertainment. So it is still a paradox and dilemma how to create the right balance.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 8 months, 3 weeks ago
    Excellent Point. I believe there is a biblical Reference to to building your Church without work or materials... Effectively explaining that it is an internal task.

    I 100% agree. Besides, I truly believe it is not what happens to you, it is how you respond.

    There is a video of an Indian Guru type laughing at people. He says most people have no complaints. They either have memories of complaints, or dreams of future complaints (hallucinations/projects)... But in THIS instant, if they just let go of the past and the future... they will realize they are fine.

    I believe this is all related.

    My recent learnings have shown me that even what we think of as reality is distorted by our NEED to survive (eat and procreate). But this is turning out to be a necessity to prevent our race from going extinct. The "correctness" of Reality, by itself, serves no useful purpose.

    And this is how we fall for manipulations, etc.

    Cheers!
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  • Posted by $ Markus_Katabri 8 months, 3 weeks ago
    It’s all fun and games until the collapse.
    TWO THINGS that will cause you trouble.
    Starvation and People Behaving Badly.
    You’ve only solved half your problems.
    If you’re within 150miles of a city larger than 100k. You’re in danger. It’s that simple.
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    • Posted by 8 months, 3 weeks ago
      Thanks for your perspective. Legit points regarding a collapse. I have plans and some preps for that, but my post is more focused on the long term and slow-moving train wreck that is Calizuela, where I still imagine myself wanting to live.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 months, 3 weeks ago
    Yes. There really is something to "going Galt in place". I started a few years ago. I just recently finished a career in the government-science complex and what I saw there pushed me out early. Not surprised one bit to read that the CDC is withholding public information on vaccines now. The government, with its connection to the healthcare industry, will kill you deader than a door nail and not bat an eye. I left. Now, I'm living in a state where the government leaves us alone, where normal citizens go just outside city limits and target practice in the countryside, where fat trout swim 10 minutes from my house. It's important to maintain fiscal viability. So, I understand why some people do what you're describing. All the best...
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  • Posted by Idiocracy42 8 months, 3 weeks ago
    Vegetable Garden

    When looking for seeds, go for heirloom so you can save your seeds for next season. Some trusted sources are Baker Creek (https://www.rareseeds.com/), Brim (https://www.brimseed.com/), Select Seeds (https://www.selectseeds.com/). I’ve been really happy with plants (trees, shrubs) from Stark Bros (https://www.starkbros.com/). There are many others, but do some homework – there are seed merchants that sell old seeds.

    Decisions on where to plant – we use raised beds here, along with a number of pots (especially for invasive herbs) and towers for patio areas. Green Stalk (https://greenstalkgarden.com/) has good towers that are really easy to work with; these are great for planting on balconies, etc.

    The hardest part on this for me was finding good resources for planting, cultivating, and harvesting all in one place. There are some apps that can help with it (https://www.growveg.com/ and https://www.smartgardener.com/). They provide pretty good info on most common garden vegetables, and both walk you through planting, common insect/disease problems, harvesting and allow you to prepare a garden layout.

    Read about planting zones, stratifying, chill hours, hardening-off, companions.

    Bonus: Materials (soil amendments, fertilizer, pest treatments, etc.) that have OMRI on the packaging are generally appropriate for organic gardening.
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  • Posted by Idiocracy42 8 months, 3 weeks ago
    Food Storage

    This was really a piecemeal thing for me. You can get some good information from LDS (https://providentliving.churchofjesus...) they have charts that can help with determining how much to store per person. I used that as a sanity check.

    Mostly for food storage (the important HOW part), it depends on what you are storing. I use canning, freeze-drying (expensive up front), drying, fermenting, root cellaring (although my root cellar plugs into a wall ☹). Outside of your wheat berries and other grains, your beans, sugar and a few other things, the best option by far for most foods is freeze-drying.

    There are several freeze-drying videos/groups out there (Retired-at-40 on MeWe is probably the most popular). I’ve been freeze-drying for a few years and learned mostly by trial and error. There just wasn’t that much depth from trusted resources when I started, but it is pretty easy to figure out what will/will not freeze-dry well.

    Read about mason jars, mylar bags, food-safe buckets and oxygen absorbers. The homesteading links above are useful resources for food preservation. There’s also the National Center for Home Food Preservation, which is generally the last word in both technique and safety.
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  • Posted by Idiocracy42 8 months, 3 weeks ago
    Overall Homesteading

    One of the best sources for overall homesteading skills is https://homesteadingfamily.com/
    They really walk the walk, and have a wide variety of topics. Plus, they are very good teachers, direct, thorough and to-the-point. When they are on a topic, they go pretty deep. They cover everything from canning and fermenting, to care for cast iron, to gardening and even some animal husbandry. I’d say that almost every topic a homesteader needs to learn is covered to some degree.

    I’m also quite fond of https://prepschooldaily.blogspot.com/. She writes a blog every day and you never know what she’ll come up with. She has great sense of humor and I’ve learned a lot of important tidbits from her.

    Another good source is https://practicalselfreliance.com/. There are many resources available; just watch out for those who are copy/pasting what they find online/are vague in their posts. Often that means they don’t really know much.
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  • Posted by Idiocracy42 8 months, 3 weeks ago
    Not an easy task, but there are certainly steps to take for progress. I started with food, about two years ago when we started homesteading. I wanted to get rid of all convenience foods (make my own) and learn to build a giant pantry - how to store, rotate and use basic ingredients to make nutritious, easy and enjoyable meals. I didn't want to buy pre-made emergency stuff because it is not sustainable.

    Now I have a well-stocked pantry that would get us through more than a year, a good producing garden, and go shopping every other month. Except for Azure which delivers most of my organic bulk goods once a month.

    I spend far less on groceries than ever. Which has allowed me to work on new projects - the big one is now designing an herb garden and learning to make medicine.

    You need books, and to read them now. Medical, farming, homesteading (learning the old ways of getting by without modern conveniences).

    I find like-minded people in odd places online. Plus, I married one, so that helps. In my mind, its about creating a resilient environment and finding pleasure in that. I must say it is massively enjoyable to say, 'wow, I never have to buy that again!'

    When I am not ticked off by news (as I am at the moment), I generally feel like I live free and happy.
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    • Posted by 8 months, 3 weeks ago
      This sounds like a great situation. Thanks for sharing your progress and success. Congratulations to you! Lack of a garden (and secure land for it) is a major concern for me. But I would value time to learn details about your setup from you. Can we talk directly please?
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      • Posted by Idiocracy42 8 months, 3 weeks ago
        There’s no real set-up. I made a plan that starts at the end… what would I like to achieve? For example, if I want to store food, I better know how to do it right. There are a lot of options and some are pricey.

        Then, you figure out what food; everyone says beans and rice, but that is no way to live, and certainly no way to maintain a healthy immune system. Personally, I want to have bread and fruit and vegetables and chocolate and coffee. I don’t want a can of something shelf-stable for 25 years. I have to have a rotation plan, and use it daily.

        Nobody likes to drink powdered milk, but it might be the only way you can store it. But even powdered it doesn’t last that long, so you learn to cook with it. In most baking, you’d never know the difference, which lets you rotate it instead of letting it go bad.

        So, you need to learn how to prepare what you store into meals. As you master that, you can figure out how to grow it, raise it, or buy in bulk. There are a lot of videos online that can help you through the process, including how to grow gardens in limited space like patios, balconies and kitchen counters.

        We can’t buy a cow until I’ve mastered dairy. I’ve made butter, yogurt, sour cream, buttermilk and ice cream, but what’s life without cheese? It is on my list, but it all takes time. Once I master the cheese, I still need to learn how to take care of the cow and keep her healthy and well-fed. Her and the bull, I mean :-). Sustainability!

        There are certainly upfront expenses, but as you build in the resiliency, you’ll find that you spend a lot less over time, you get to know what you’re eating, and you’re less susceptible to inflation and supply chain issues.

        It’s a path though, and for me-the-nerd it has been a lot of research; there’s certainly a lot of bad guidance online. I think it is important to validate and test your outcomes, which means not just buying a bunch of books and seeds, and hoping everything will work out if you ever need it. I suspect that arm-chair preppers might have a tough time if it ever came down to it. Just gotta live the life, which for me is the whole point anyway.
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        • Posted by 8 months, 3 weeks ago
          Thanks again very much. How to start living this life that is enjoyable and healthy - not just the extreme prepper food that can't be replenished on my own - that is the whole point exactly!
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          • Posted by $ katrinam41 8 months, 3 weeks ago
            I keep a good supply of quality "prepper" foods on hand for emergencies and bugout, just in case. I don't rely on them to get me through a major mess, but they really come in handy for quick, healthy meals and for barter.
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            • Posted by Idiocracy42 8 months, 3 weeks ago
              Great point! That is certainly a good idea. Before I started homesteading, I picked up about a supply from Mountain House, just so I'd have something to grab for emergencies. I did that after an awful and expensive hurricane experience when we were on the beach in Florida.

              Everyone should have a supply like that. I still have/keep "25-year food", but now it is from my own recipes.
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  • Posted by Aeronca 8 months, 3 weeks ago
    I agree with you but have no ideas how. I checked my zip code on this site and there are about 10 people in my area, who joined, and became inactive, immediately, about 6 years ago.

    I noticed when I started a Meetup.com group, that tons of people would join the group, many would click Attending, and very few would physically show up. This is a problem...
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    • Posted by 8 months, 3 weeks ago
      Thanks for that experience. I have been considering creating a Meetup group. I'm thinking that it needs to be very special and unlike any typical Meetup - combining art, food, music, and beauty with every event. A heroic and uplifting experience every time. Also, no whiners or free-loaders or control-freaks allowed! It's easy to dream about this but execution and commitment are a big deal, I'm not ready for that yet.
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      • Posted by Aeronca 8 months, 3 weeks ago
        I've joined a few, tried starting a few more. It's hard. Getting people on the same page so to speak. When you have an inspiring leader, it works well. I joined a meetup group arranged around an inspiring leader and it was awesome. When that leader left for personal reasons, the group floundered, fought, rearranged and became a liberal virtue-signaling imitation of the original group's purpose. At least in this case, a strong leader was necessary.

        What would be the theme of your meetup group?
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        • Posted by DennisJeeves 8 months, 3 weeks ago
          The very requirement of a 'leader' mean that the followers do not have sufficient intellectual maturity. Aeronca, since you have made efforts to start groups, you might be interested in my efforts outlined here at https://quberoot.wordpress.com/ where the core stuff is a 5 minute read ( the whole stuff is probably 30 minutes) . Alternatively if that is not appealing, I can join your efforts. (It doesnt, matter who joins what, as long as people get talking, acting and act cohesively in the long run). email in the link I put
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        • Posted by 8 months, 3 weeks ago
          Ha, thanks. Sad but funny and predictable.

          Not sure what my theme would be but since I'm in California, it would probably be something like "Pursuing the American dream in occupied territory." How does that sound to you?
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          • Posted by Aeronca 8 months, 3 weeks ago
            HAHAHA That sounds like you should pick a new state to live in before you start your Meetup group. But you're living there. I think that website it worth it. Actually it was started in California. I don't know to what degree the leadership meddles. Have a title of "White Heterosexual Men For Prosperity and see what happens and who walks in...I'd put NO DRUGS on your website to keep the kooks out. Some of them.
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            • Posted by 8 months, 3 weeks ago
              Some other potential group names that make self-selection easy: Americans in Commiefornia. Landowners in Hotel Crazifornia. American Expats in Calizuela.

              I think some biting humor and mockery is important. The enemies among us deserve to be ridiculed and offended.
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              • Posted by Idiocracy42 8 months, 3 weeks ago
                I started life out in California before it was really Calizuela, and loved it there: In the desert on Friday, the beach on Saturday, in the mountains panning for gold on Sunday.

                Since then I've lived in lots of places and have finally chosen Texas as home. When I got here, there was a group called "Californians for a Better Texas" (fortunately, now defunct). Calizuelans are coming here in droves now though, and ruining the cities.

                It is hard to imagine wanting to go back and live there, but I know there are still many sane folks who do.
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  • Posted by Shrugging1947 5 months, 3 weeks ago
    I don't usually post anywhere about things I haven't thoroughly checked out myself...however, I signed in today to see if anyone here had already checked into this https://givemebass.com/victorycity/

    But I started reading through all the great stuff on this thread and then got totally sidetracked checking out and signing up at Azure Standard (thanks Idiocracy42!) Anyway, this link intrigues me, and I will dig deep on it as soon as I finish planting all the veges and flowers I just got via delivery. Hope it may be of some help to anyone else who may be intrigued. At first glance, it looks like it may be well enough organized to hatch new Galt's Gulches all over the country!

    In the meantime, I've left Calizuela three years ago (lived there all my life) for a place in Arkansas that I thought might be a reasonable substitute for the Gulch. It was close enough for me. I am 75 and pretty much alone in the world as my husband and almost all true friends and relatives have up and died on me. (No forgiveness for the husband and friends! The relatives get a pass.) I only told two people where I was going. Didn't want any of the AOC types so prevalent now tagging along.

    After three years in this pretty heavenly locale, sadly, a great many Calizuelans and a fair amount of other blue state dingbats are moving here and trying to turn it into where they left. They are still quite outnumbered here, but I worry about not dying before they take over. I'm too old to find another place. Good luck to everyone seeking or creating a Gulch of your own.
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 8 months, 2 weeks ago
    You mean in a way, living free, as we managed to do during the shutdowns, mostly by ignoring them. We met almost every day, talked politics and cars, no masks, no illness. During Clinton we challenged Eschelog by using every word when we called each other, to set off the watchers. Luckily, we live in rural area, can grow food if needed, will soon have generator whole house. I have never stayed silent, even before Internet, we used snail mail and phones to check out gov. overeach in other states. We shared endless information on UN Agende 21 when FEMA was plowing up roads in rural areas to implement it. Now, it is UN Agenda 21/2030 posing as Green New Deal. When a friend said how discouraged he is getting for his grandkids' furture, I said teach them to fight, not literally, but in the mind, as that cannot be defeated.
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  • Posted by CathyColeman 5 months, 2 weeks ago
    I would so love to be connected with other Galters in Waikato New Zealand. Sold our cattle and planting fruit trees in their place. Got super powered sports horses we need to do something with - maybe some kind of sports entertainment for folks. Waiting for currency reset so we can be debt free. Waiting patiently - reading The Fountainhead now after reading Atlas Shrugged twice. Such awesome learning in there. Movies were good but not a patch on the books.
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