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Should Trump run again, and should we support him?

Posted by Storo 2 years, 4 months ago to Culture
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In the spirit of the old Chinese curse “May you live in interesting times.”, it is interesting that we have such an incompetent administration in the White House, and interesting to watch them stumble around and lie and spin, and bungle so many things important to Americans. So what to do?
It is clear Trump wants to run again, most likely to face Hillary again. But should he?
If one looks back at his 4 years in office, one sees a record of great accomplishments. Whether foreign or domestic, his administration took on seemingly impossible tasks and won.
We had relatively secure borders.
The economy was booming.
Inflation was nil.
Interest rates were low.
Unemployment was at record lows.
We got a COVID vaccine in record time.
Our relationships with other nations greatly improved.
North Korea and Russia were talking to us.
Our trade was greatly improved, and China trade deal renegotiated.
NAFDA was dumped and a new trade agreement signed that was more fair to the US.
So why would we not re-elect this guy? Answer: The media.
We lived through 4years of Trump in the White House with the media nipping at his heels the whole time. Trump never had a real chance to govern without lies, rumors and innuendo following his every step. He not only had to fight the Dumocraps, there were the false Russian collusion charges, the false dossier, the false inditement of Trump staff, lies and misrepresentations galore, false impeachments and an American public divided, rightly or wrongly, as never before.
I support Trump, and I believe that his record and accomplishments will stand up against anyone’s. In addition he has shown that he can get the job done. He deserves a second term. But what concerns me is that the Cabal, the Deep State, and/or his opponents and the media will pick up where they left off in January 2021, and we will have another 4years like his previous 4 years with fabricated lies, distortions and fabricated scandals as then promulgated by a corrupt leftist media and the socialist/communist Dumocrap Party.

So here’s the question; if we know that Trump will be slandered and face the same opposition and baseless accusations as in his previous administration, would you vote for him in 2024?


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  • Posted by $ CBJ 2 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I respectfully suggest that if Ted Cruz had been the Republican nominee in 2016, we would now be a year into Hillary's second term. Trump's victory was due in large part to his "outsider populist" status, and his ability to generate the amount of passionate enthusiasm that Cruz could never have matched.
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  • Posted by $ DriveTrain 2 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Electable" is an even more tangential third topic, and one that is 100% speculative - again, fit subject for a High School bull session, not much else.

    But for the record, recall that Cruz was the single most consistently-principled candidate in the 2015-2016 roster until (and after) Trump bellyflopped into the middle of it, and I'm convinced that Kasich refused to drop out precisely because his job was to run interference on behalf of the Establishment types who were scared to death of another "Reagan Republican" actually getting the nomination. Sans Kasich there'd have been a stark contrast between two very different primary candidates; his lingering presence wiped out that clear choice and smeared Cruz as an "also-ran" after the media (enthusiastically,) and the Establishment alike had enshrined Trump, almost from the second he declared, as "frontrunner."

    I voted Cruz / Fiorina in 2016 as a write-in, held my nose and voted for Trump in 2020 (primarily because of the alarming events of that summer,) and if Cruz - or another of the caliber of those I just mentioned - is not the 2024 GOP candidate, I will be writing him in again.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 2 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ds are more honest about them being POS's. R's provide lip service and seek to fool people. Neither are worth a damn. My 2 bits.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 2 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Unless of course you have an overwhelming amount of people voting for someone competent and then congress, the DOJ, and everyone else in government (federal and state) allows the vote to be fixed and does nothing about it.

    Why vote to propagate/advance a system that lacks any semblance of integrity?
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  • Posted by NealS 2 years, 3 months ago
    The key here is to insure enough voters pull their heads out of the sand and start becoming responsible. It is the responsibility of each one of us to work hard to help at least one voting person see the truth and take responsibility for their vote. I think I have convinced my eldest son that he needs to vote and not let his wife see his ballet ever again. He's still angry that I called him "politically ignorant" and won't retract it. It's taken a long time but he has a decent inheritance to protect, especially if the government doesn't take too big a share. I tell him there is nothing in it for me anymore and he's just lucky that I don't vote the other way just for spite or because he doesn't deserve the freedom I literally fought for.
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  • Posted by NealS 2 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    She's a smart lady, my wife too. Mine's so deep into it, much further than I can imagine. However, I'm moving more into her same direction than not. With some big Hollywood "stars" starting to leak and tell us about how crude the lot of their peers are, I'm beginning to believed this whole thing started to save the children. Look at this Covid farce, all the MSM bigshots starting to get taken down, the pedophiles finally getting caught, and the connections between that sex island and well known politicians finally getting exposed. I think we are still in the early stages of a huge world wide issue. That's why so many are so afraid of Trump, even now because he's still working on it. Would I support him, absolutely, or any other candidate that he supports. In any case I can hardly wait for the movie to come out, I just hope I live long enough.
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  • Posted by $ gharkness 2 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are certainly welcome to "differ" all you choose. That doesn't change what I think of Trump. There's plenty of dirt that hasn't been dug up yet.... I still think we'll be better off with a President who is cleaner (and younger wouldn't hurt either).
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  • Posted by $ jdg 2 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I beg to differ. The Dems spent Trump's entire first term pursuing groundless investigations of him. If dirt on him existed (beyond a few known items like the "grab 'em by the pussy" comment), they would have published it and succeeded in one of the impeachment trials.

    Instead, we now have the dirt on them. And Dem Congresscritters are resigning in droves because they know it.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 2 years, 3 months ago
    I'd take just about any Republican over a Democrat. It's not that Republicans are inherently decent people. It's that the Democrats are just so universally awful ones.
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  • Posted by Tavolino 2 years, 3 months ago
    Nearly two years ago the same discussion appeared on the Gulch, and I listed the following response. As usual, the prophetic genius of Rand has come to be. Read the last paragraph and just substitute Trump for Nixon and Biden for McGovern. Or remove the personalities (Alinsky’s 12th rule) and use republican/democrat, right/left, conservative/liberal, American/anti-American (any individual issue), and likely the “unprincipled” vote for a victorious Trump may have prevented today’s empirical reality.


    With all that’s being exposed, not only with the immoral politicization of this horrible medical crisis, but also the revelations of the corruption and abuse of power of the deep bureaucratic state, and the vying for power, this next election and the following two terms, will determine the future of this great country. For all the never-Trumpers, the “ivory tower” Objectivists (not the real-world Objectivists), rinos, moderate democrats, and the undecided middle, the following may be enlightening. Many wonder who Ayn Rand would vote for if she were alive, and maybe the conclusion of her letter from Vol. 1, No. 24, 8/28/72, will possibly shed some light. Pay particular attention to her last paragraph.

    To the great credit of the American people, the polls taken immediately after the Democratic Convention showed a significant drop in McGovern’s popularity and a significant rise in Nixon’s. At this writing, Nixon leads by the enormous figure of 26%.

    I am not an admirer of President Nixon, as my readers know. But I urge every able-minded voter, of any race, creed, color, age, sex, or political party, to vote for Nixon – as a matter of national emergency. This is no longer an issue of choosing the lesser of two commensurate evils. The choice is between a flawed candidate representing Western civilization – and the perfect candidate of its primordial enemies.

    If there were some campaign organization called “Anti-Nixonites for Nixon,” it would name my position.

    The worst thing said about Nixon is that he cannot be trusted, which is true: he cannot be trusted to save this country. But one thing is certain: McGovern can be trusted to destroy it.

    Ayn Rand
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 2 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The separate discussion should include "alternatives" who are electable. I would not include Ted Cruz on that list.
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  • Posted by Steven-Wells 2 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I offer two great quotes about Hillary that appeared on the old Fox late-night show, Red Eye.
    From TV's Andy Levy:
    "Hillary Clinton is Richard Nixon without the charm."
    And from Joanne Nosuchinsky:
    "If you don't have anything nice to say, say it about Hillary Clinton."
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 2 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Here in Alabama we identify ourselves with a photo ID (that me dino has noticed that blacks are smart enough to procure and bring) and we mark names printed on paper ballots.
    Each ballot is fed into a machine that only counts the ballot. Later real live (hopefully honest) people takes the ballots out to count the votes.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 2 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You make my point. We do not have a choice and haven't had one in some time. Look back, in my memory was there never a primary with two viable options for the betterment of this nation? And, you think after all this fraud you're getting a choice now? Who would the left run against Trump? Moochle? Hillary? Synema (leftist)?

    To do so they would have to rise enough nationally to take note of. The entire establishment is geared toward preventing that from happening. The US should have at least 6 political parties and there should always be a culling process and then a final election process.

    Further, all funding to candidates should be nixed with TV and Air time being allotted to candidates on government run entities (CSPAN, NPR, etc.) on an equal basis. Any donated money and additional air/TV time to candidates should be coming from their home states for rally's, publication and transportation costs. All of that should be tightly scrutinized, open to public examination and entirely accountable. Nothing, not a cent (or 250 million cents) should be coming from out of the country.

    My opinion, and I wrote about this, we need a NONE OF THESE on every ballot, at ever level and for every idea. A NONE OF THESE winner causes a re-election where candidate have to start again, no refunds and no credits.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 2 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't know that, for a fact, and can not allow my judgement to be colored by such claims.

    I will always vote for the "best" candidate, regardless of their political affiliation...that's why I refuse to identify with a specific party, whenever possible.
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  • Posted by $ DriveTrain 2 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Alternatives" is off-topic - an entirely separate discussion.

    But to get the tangent out of the way, the list is obvious and expanding: Ted Cruz, Allen West, Candace Owens, Kristi Noem, Bobby Jindal, Carly Fiorina, Scott Walker, Dan Crenshaw - to name a few.
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  • Posted by $ DriveTrain 2 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, I will definitely give him credit for his Judicial picks, and for filling in a truly impressive number of vacancies that GWB (and fortunately Obama as well,) left undone.

    The man did some worthwhile things, as I said - and these Judgeships will be the most lasting - but this is just the Judicial branch. There is a whole great boatload of things he should've been pedal-to-the-metal on, from Day One.
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  • Posted by tutor_turtle 2 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A couple of things about Fauci (aka Dr. Evil) He had been making murder bugs for the DoD for 40 years. (Get RFK Jr's new book on Fauci) Damn hard to uproot a picker bush that entrenched. People who crossed swords with him (Dr. Judy Mikoviks) ended up in jail, her life and career in ruins, others have died unexplained deaths. He is like a James Bond Super Villain.
    Trump certainly has some bad advisors, no doubt.
    Perhaps worse of all, Like Howard Hughes, Trump is a germ-o-phobe.
    Senator (and Dr.) Rand Paul has been tearing Dr Evil to shreds on the witness stand. He ain't long for this world.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 2 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    " . . . not a single one of those momentary accomplishments lasted beyond his term."

    Two words: Supreme Court. Not to say that Trump's picks are perfect, but think about what the Court would look like if Hillary had been able to choose three justices.

    Also Trump delivered several hundred lower court justices that would have otherwise been selected by Hillary.
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  • Posted by tutor_turtle 2 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My wife keeps telling me not to worry, it's all a movie. The bad guys will be caught and punished in the end. Trump is just setting the trap they will all fall in. I worry I won't live to see justice served. In the mean time I keep my powder dry and my ear to the ground.
    New Hampshire is voting on returning to hand count ballots. I attended the public hearings. Write your Congress Critters. Get rid of those infernal machines. They are wired to the CCP.
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  • Posted by tutor_turtle 2 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Think about this for a moment. When Ayn Rand wrote Atlas Shrugged, Kennedy was just ramping up his campaign. Look what they did to him... murdered, by his own people, in broad daylight. Then spent the next 60 years covering it up.
    Kennedy wouldn't stand a chance today in the DemonRat party and I have serious doubts the RinoRepubs would accept him either.
    We live in interesting times, and that's not meant to be complementary.
    We need a gloves-off fighter. A honey badger of a president who believes in the Constitution and ain't afraid to kick @$$.
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