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Stick a Fork in California

Posted by $ Abaco 2 months, 3 weeks ago to Culture
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It's done. California is dead. I see on social media the dumbest people I know are passionately attacking people who express disappointment in the failure to recall the Gov. The place is a cesspool. They've taken one of the most beautiful places in the world and turned it into a collectivist, feces-polluted mess. Now, finally, my wife is talking of leaving. We have our place in Nevada which I love. But, we're really looking at Arizona, Florida and the Carolinas. Any input appreciated. I even said I'd consider the place where my dad's side came from - Oklahoma. It's a quiet place with a simpler life, and centrally located for my consulting work.

I'm going to have to clean up some real estate and sell it and I plan to have that done by next summer. The only relative with my last name who will remain in California is the guy who smokes tons of weed and doesn't work. That's fitting...


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  • Posted by mccannon01 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    My advice to anyone relocating to escape the coming communist crash is to find a piece of land with fertile ground and clean water. Not close to a big city. Good luck.

    In the end, the commies will come to loot all, but you may be able to escape for a while.
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    • Posted by nanovation 2 months, 3 weeks ago
      This is good advice. When price controls go into place on food, farmers are going to stop growing it, and people will starve. With that in mind, go where you have water and can grow your own food. Homestead of 100 years ago is ideal. Not much to do out there, but at least you'll be able to feed your family while the cities riot and burn.

      Also, commies hate to work, so I recommend moving somewhere that requires work to survive, like Alaska, as commies will avoid it like the plague.
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      • Posted by $ katrinam41 2 months, 3 weeks ago
        Normal progressives of all stripes will, but Russia has a walk-on part up there. Things will get a bit dicey once our country collapses. Alaska is a great place, with a temperate zone that grows huge crops, but the storms start arriving in September. Nasty biting flies, no-see-ums that will drive any mammal mad, subsistence hunting and fishing for residents, but land prices are rising fast. I spent two summers up there as bookkeeper/ office manager for two different canneries and I loved it. Too hard now for this old bod to handle.
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  • Posted by drjmetz 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    I advise you to avoid mentioning that you are coming from California. Emigrants from there have made a really bad name for themselves in their new adoptive cities and states.
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  • Posted by $ Ben_C 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    Yep - it is time people voted with their feet. I grew up in the San Fernando Valley in the 50's. I remember thermal inversion and smog so thick you couldn't see across the school yard. The only good thing government did was eliminating burning trash. Pretty much solved the problem. I remember riding my horse up into the movie lots in the foot hills to watch movie westerns being filmed. Lots of memories.
    But now, no way in hell would I move back to 8547 Comanche, Canoga Park. How about we give California back to Mexico?
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    I'd advise Oklahoma, but act quickly. It's high on the list of reliable conservative states, and many leaving blue states are driving the home costs up rapidly.
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  • Posted by $ rainman0720 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    This recall election and the 2020 presidential election have proven (at least to me) that the Republic is dead. Sad to say it's much bigger than California.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    Well, you already know that election was as rigged as the 2020 presidential election.
    Saw your "doomed" comment in a thread I also started today.
    You'd be welcome in Alabama. Gulf Shores is like the Florida coast but you must factor in hurricanes and there's tornadoes where I live beside Birmingham.
    Next door state Georgia is getting lefty flaky especially in the Atlanta area.
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    • Posted by $ 2 months, 3 weeks ago
      I would like to see that area in the Florida panhandle and Gulf Shores. Thanks for the input.
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 2 months, 3 weeks ago
        The snow white sand beaches there are beautiful.
        In Alabama, Florida's Panama City Beach is called "The Redneck Riviera."
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        • Posted by preimert1 2 months, 3 weeks ago
          I went through Nay flight training in Pensacola (then daned training in Corpu). White sandy beach that runched under foot--and YOUTH! Open beach from Pensy to Ft. Walton. Everything changes overr time. Hang on to the memories.
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        • Posted by freedomforall 2 months, 3 weeks ago
          Abaco, in addition to annual hurricanes be prepared for
          - extremely high humidity and 90F+ every day for months.
          - Horseflies and biting gnats make the beach a place to avoid.
          - Ugly grey water as far as you can see.
          - Miles of overpriced highrise condos marring the landscape.
          - the annual onslaught of drunk morons for Spring Break.
          - sitting in bad traffic trying to get anywhere

          I lived in Pensacola for 2 years before I was saved by hurricane damage to the house I had rented.
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          • Posted by $ 2 months, 3 weeks ago
            Haha! Ok, I appreciate that.
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            • Posted by $ allosaur 2 months, 3 weeks ago
              Don't know about the Pensacola beach but the only time I ever saw gray water at Panama City was when it reflected an overcast sky.
              The Panhandle is as hot and humid as Alabama but when I was younger I was more used to it. Summer jobs during the Sixties often consisteed of loading and unloading boxcars and 18-wheeler trailers. Hot work? Hell yeah! Couldn't do it now. Now I an old dino lots more need my AC!
              Don't recall horseflies at Panama City Beach. At what used to be my secondary home at Compass Lake, Florida, halfway between Panama City and Alabama, horseflies? Yeah!
              Especially in August. Worse were halfway as big yellow flies that can light on your skin three or four times before you felt those itchy bites. Don't recall any biting gnats. They can get all in your face if you're working outside, though. There's bug repellent for that. There's snakes and alligators, but they never bothered me when I went swimming. Even when I spearfished breathing through a snorkel and wearing flippers
              Heard the police cleaned up drinking in Panama City. Drinks aren't allowed on the beach but don't tell that to a lawbreaker.
              Overpriced condos that weren't there when I was a kid? They ruin my memories of better times.
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            • Posted by $ Dobrien 2 months, 3 weeks ago
              My folks have lived at Compass Lake for 25 + years .I own a property there as well. This part of Florida is like a jungle. It seems everything in nature that can kill you is there. That said , the people I have met are wonderful and you can’t survive the place very well if you ignore reality.
              I will add to Dino’s list killer bees 🐝
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  • Posted by NealS 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    And all this disgusting California election results is being perpetuated by another stolen election. I've seen reports that 70% (hard to believe, would rather see the real facts) of Republican voters had claimed that they were told they had already voted on this recall. While that is hard to believe, I do believe that the corruption and crooked voting is a real issue, so big, so gross, and over the top, that most people can/will not believe it. It just accepted as that's just the way it is. And it's that way even in supposed Democratic states. How can you talk to so many people that appear to think the same way you do, and yet a minority of opinion keeps electing the same leaders and representatives over and over again? It's been going on for so long we just can't recognize it.

    My fear is the things that come out of the Durham Report, if it ever comes out, will be argued with rhetoric and overall just ignored. We need to get back the "rule of law", and public executions, or this country is gone, if it already isn't. Just my opinion, I could be wrong.
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    • Posted by $ Dobrien 2 months, 3 weeks ago
      Durham will put out a report after he is done indicting the criminals . That report will go to the Attorney General. Durham is a prosecutor his job is to indict the criminals. Which he just did. Durhsm indicts DNC/Clinton lawyer John Sussman.
      Sussmann ties directly into the DNC and Clinton Campaign. Ladies and gentleman it is open season for John Durham. This isn’t the end but just the start. When do birds sing?
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  • Posted by JohnWesley 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    PAY ATTENTION! It seems some of us are just now waking to the truth. California may be the largest pimple to pop but ALL of America has incurable acne.
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  • Posted by $ Markus_Katabri 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    Nebraska, Iowa
    Stay WEST of the Mississippi.
    Honestly the best place to go on paper is Wyoming.....:but they were a little COVIDY last year. Pick a stable flyover state that ISN’T Colorado. And remember....leftists love water. In 20 years Florida will be just as bad.
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    • Posted by $ pixelate 2 months, 3 weeks ago
      I have some property NW of Rawlins, Wyoming. Quite a few "survivalists" living on their 10-40 acre parcels.
      The trouble is, Wyoming gets nearly nonstop wind and seven months of Winter...
      On the good side, those harsh Winters tend to keep out the weak.
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  • Posted by $ Dobrien 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    Reading all the comments that are all doom and gloom is understandable.
    But I cannot live very well without some hope.
    My hope comes with the Devolution theory. I have said it countless times. Trump has not quit and he set up a plan to save our great nation. The next month or so will tell if I am full of it.
    It is an extensive piece of work but Patel patriot lays it out here https://patelpatriot.substack.com/
    It is in 9 series. I doubt any will read it but if you are looking for some optimism check it out.
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    • Posted by Shrugging1947 2 months, 3 weeks ago
      Patel Patriot has some good stuff on Telegram https://t.me/patelpatriot
      Update. The audit will be released next Friday on the 24th at 1 p.m. in the Senate chambers. The Senate Gallery will be open to the public.
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      • Posted by $ Dobrien 2 months, 3 weeks ago
        We are at war and it’s as simple as good vs evil.
        Light vs Dark . Good has to prevail . Truth is the light that eliminates the darkness. Chris Miller and Kash Patel and Ezra Cohen Watnick. Will be heroes for the next two hundred years.
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        • Posted by $ katrinam41 2 months, 3 weeks ago
          Simple indeed. Shining a light on the muck and corruption hasn't done much except make evil all the bolder, suffering no consequences as of yet. The ones who have eyes to see will have to be very strong in their convictions, Nathan Hale style. But I don't plan on hanging.
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          • Posted by $ Dobrien 2 months, 3 weeks ago
            Some how we need to have the media tell the truth. Many people are just waking up to this reality. I have seen that over the last year for sure.
            First time we have a leader fighting back.
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            • Posted by $ katrinam41 2 months, 3 weeks ago
              My email contacts cut across the spectrum from far right to medium left, and most are beginning to wake up from being woke. They're discovering what most of us here have known for a long time, we've been targets. Fear of cancel culture is taking a back seat to fear of non-existence. If the Friday demonstration is turned into another January 6 debacle, it will set us back even further. I would love to know whose bright idea it was to hold a protest against a protest being called an insurrection.
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              • Posted by $ Dobrien 2 months, 3 weeks ago
                That’s the thing . I Don’t know who organized this , but I have my suspicions. False flags are coming and I would not set foot in DC. No thank you.
                I was lucky to be riding in the 3rd seat of a station wagon in 1963 going to see the monuments and climbing the steps in the Washington Obelisk . I remember screaming put me down to my dad as he lifted me to see out the structure at the top.
                Fear of heights still to this day.lol
                Any way the beautiful marble sculptures and statues were terrific. Also I just remembered a wax museum that was spooky as it gets.
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    • Posted by $ Dobrien 2 months, 3 weeks ago
      Many things occurred between Nov 3 and Jan 20Th that were head scratching. I think an explanation that makes total sense is as follows.
      Devolution... defined as
      the transfer or delegation of power to a lower level, especially by central government to local or regional administration.
      This was redefined as a continuity of power plan by Trump during the start of the COVID scam.
      When President Trump declared emergencies on March 13 under both the Stafford Act and the National Emergencies Act, he boasted, “I have the right to do a lot of things that people don’t even know about.”
      The president is right. Some of the most potent emergency powers at his disposal are likely ones we can’t know about, because they are not contained in any publicly available laws. Instead, they are set forth in classified documents known as “presidential emergency action documents.”
      These documents consist of draft proclamations, executive orders and proposals for legislation that can be quickly deployed to assert broad presidential authority in a range of worst-case scenarios. They are one of the government’s best-kept secrets. No presidential emergency action document has ever been released or even leaked. Let’s assume that Trump in an emergency action had a plan in place to decentralize the military and other key agencies in the event of a takeover attempt with help of foreign govts.
      The elections were stolen and they military caught them all doing it. Once the truth comes out that the [DS] cheated in the election the government will become incapacitated and the military will step in. The military will most likely be deployed around the country to control the rioting. The military will take control until a decision is made of who the president really is by following the constitution.
      A few things come to mind that make sense with devolution. Remember Gen. Michael Flynn’s Brother being named head of the Pacific that was a head scratcher. How about when the incoming admins goons were shunned at the pentagon? They sought info on current special ops and were shut down. The DIA seems separate from the rest of the ABC agencies. They did not report or turn over the Chineses top USA Spy Chiefs defector to any other compromised govt agency. Another is did Trump turn over the nuclear code. Plus BuyDem doesn’t seem to have full control of the military as evidenced by US military bombings of Iran’s military. In November ....President Donald Trump fired Pentagon chief Mark Esper on Monday afternoon, installing an unprecedented fourth acting defense secretary just 72 days before the expected start of the Biden administration.
      “I am pleased to announce that Christopher C. Miller, the highly respected Director of the National Counterterrorism Center (unanimously confirmed by the Senate), will be Acting Secretary of Defense, effective immediately…” the president tweeted. “...Chris will do a GREAT job! Mark Esper has been terminated. I would like to thank him for his service.”
      In Dec 2020 Miller improvised in a speech stopping and lavishing praise on Pence for his assistance in one oh the most complex military operations ever undertaken. What was that? Was it Devolution being started . Also Miller did some interesting chain of command moves. Then there is the enigma Ezra Cohen Watnick.
      When he was placed in some key positions the left screamed like crazy and then silence. He is and will be playing a crucial role.
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      • Posted by Shrugging1947 2 months, 3 weeks ago
        I'm with you. I can see light at the end of the tunnel, and I don't think it's a train, but it's still a little too far away to tell for sure. The indictment can be accessed from https://technofog.substack.com/p/the-... I think Durham is after the bigger fish in that cesspool and either already has more or expects to unearth it with this indictment. Lots of pre-laid plans in play. You can call me "Little Mary Sunshine", but that's my story and I'm sticking to it!
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      • Posted by $ Markus_Katabri 2 months, 3 weeks ago
        I respect you Dobrien......But Q is fake.
        It IS as bad as it appears.
        A=A.
        We need to put the hOpium down and view life as it is. Believe me I wish someone would come riding in on a pale horse and set everything right. But, Trump had a better chance of doing that as a sitting President. One of executive order stating that all Federal Elections must be in-person voting PERIOD. Would have solved this. He was sent to drain the swamp. But, fell in.
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        • Posted by $ Dobrien 2 months, 3 weeks ago
          First off Pat, “Q is fake” that’s an interesting remark to my comments about what Trump has set up. I said nothing about Q in this thread. Please give me evidence of your assertion.
          I have seen over a hundred Q proofs.
          Weird how Q and his anons are constantly attacked by the leftist media and the corrupt politicians over and over again all for a fake?
          The only thing attacked more than Q and the anons is President Donald J Trump .
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  • Posted by shaifferg 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    Why not Colorado? It was Californicated in the late 70s on and has gone downhill ever since. Legislature and courts just gave the front range libertards voting overrides against rural counties. Foolish to expect improvement! Resident since late 60's stayed after discharge. A good 30 year ride, last 20 not so much.
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  • Posted by term2 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    I used to live in california. It was a land of opportunity in the 70's and 80's. I moved out in 2000 as it was headed to disaster. I havent been back since, and sold whatevere real estate I had there and moved my business to Nevada.

    Since then, Nevada has been infiltrated by the california mentality, so I wouldnt suggest people move here now- assuming that one was going to move FROM california to somewhere better. Texas, Florida woul be better bets. Arizona is slowly slipping into the statist camp, so although better than Nevada presently, it wont stay that way.
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  • Posted by $ katrinam41 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    Best case for decent climate and beautiful, productive land would be Washington State, but getting rid of parasites would be a large problem. My own research over the past few years finds similar political conditions all over, livable conditions are getting harder to find because of that. Wyoming is top of the list in several categories, followed by Oklahoma (hubby disagrees--tornados scare him), South Dakota, Texas, Tennessee (family members like that one, as long as it's in the mountains). I am pulling together a list of rv parks in each state on the list, with a trip planned for early next year to get a first-hand look at the areas I have in mind.
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    • Posted by $ gharkness 2 months, 3 weeks ago
      Yes OK has tornadoes, but I was up there six years and the scariest thing I experienced was an earthquake.... 5.2, I believe.

      But then I grew up in North and East Texas, where tornadoes are basically yawn-worthy. To rephrase; the tornadoes themselves are sometimes big and dangerous, just like Oklahoma, but you learn to live with it. We did have a small tornado a block north of me in OK, but it was really no big deal!

      Every state has something to be "afraid" of. Don't fall for that.
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      • Posted by $ katrinam41 2 months, 3 weeks ago
        You and I, and anyone who has lived in or near tornado alley know and understand those storms, but my poor hubby hails from a lifetime spent in Seattle, WA, where there is no weather. Seattle, the only city in the country with natural indirect lighting. Not true, but it kept the curious out for years :) Weather isn't something to fear, only to respect. Progressive non-minds are what bother me the most.
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        • Posted by Lucky 2 months, 3 weeks ago
          Ah, Seattle! When there I had my first earthquake experience. There was no damage but the noise was like a truck hitting the building, not for a second but for 30 seconds.
          Seattle, where on my first winter there was snow on the morning of 25th December, I was impressed.
          I did not notice the stridency of the woky leftism for some years.
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          • Posted by $ katrinam41 2 months, 3 weeks ago
            It was a paradise. I lived there for years, back when Capitol Hill was a center for arts, museums and off-the-wall residents. Now, it's being held hostage by soulless thugs with no goal except destruction. Sometimes I think of Midas Mulligan saying "New York...New York..." and think to myself "Seattle...Seattle". The State of Washington should have been ours... we lost it because we were unprepared for the extent and total darkness of the madness.
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    • Posted by $ 2 months, 3 weeks ago
      Thanks. I have not ruled out eastern Washington. I lived in the Puget Sound area a few times. I liked it except until it became overcrowded and gridlocked. The weather in Puget Sound would drive my family crazy, I think.
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      • Posted by $ pixelate 2 months, 3 weeks ago
        I lived in the TriCities of Eastern WA for 30 years ... went there for work and the place grew on me... 300 days of sunlight a year, very little precipitation and if you water the soil, you can grow pert-near anything. I recently sold my place for a good price and relocated to Southern Arizona (home here cost a quarter of my sales price of the WA home). Eastern WA is being overrun with those disgusting Windmills. Additionally, a serious plan is in place to tear down four hydro dams on the Snake River to (a) "save the salmon" and (b) install 'green power' (think 80,000 acres of disgusting windmills). It's all part of a $35B plan on the table. Helicopter Money. We are being driven over the cliff with a Crack Up Boom economy. Failure by Design.
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      • Posted by $ katrinam41 2 months, 3 weeks ago
        After spending 12 years living aboard a 30' sailboat and raising two active kids at the same time, I hate seeing what progressive policies have done to a magnificent state. Eastern Washington is a good alternative if you can avoid government interference long enough for the collapse to happen. North-eastern end is way too dry, but there are places to live. I love the coast around Hoquim and north, bit the San Juan fault makes me a bit nervous :)
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  • Posted by pkundl 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    Just an FYI - People coming from the northern states (NY,NJ, PA) have driven up housing pricing thru the roof, if you can find anything at all here in the Carolinas..
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    • Posted by $ 2 months, 3 weeks ago
      I was shocked at the real estate prices in the Carolinas.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 2 months, 3 weeks ago
        The NC Coast has been invaded by Yankee (and some west coast) leftists for decades.
        I spent wonderful times there in the 50's-80's, but it ended when Nabisco (NYC) bought RJR (Winston Salem NC)
        and the Yankee invasion became a flood.
        Note today's headline about leftist "doctors" discussing how they need to frighten more people into getting jabbed is happening in Wilmington NC.
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