Mandatory Vax...How does it feel?

Posted by $ Abaco 3 months, 2 weeks ago to Culture
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Now in the current state of affairs with a president who's willing to violate the Nuremburg Code, first emergency-experimental vax being pushed, now hastily "approved" PFE vax prompting calls in the government for forced vaccination...I want to know what you think about this, in the grand scheme of things. As strange as it sounds, I'd like to know 1-how does it make you feel as an Objectivist or fan of Ayn Rand?, 2-do you trust the government to get this right?, 3-did you give this any consideration the past couple of decades when it was happening with school kids?

One more thing...I recently heard that those who question government vax are on the top of the Federal list now as potential terrorist threats. What do you think about that? How far do you think they'll go? Will they administer these at gunpoint, restrict interstate travel, take away any/all funds like Social Security from those who don't comply? Maybe start throwing people in jail and/or taking people's kids away? How far will this go, in your opinion? Maybe they'll dox the unvaxed, listing names and addresses, or force them to wear a special patch on their clothing... Just brainstorming here...


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  • Posted by Arthgallo 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    1) not surprised
    2) lies
    3) not enough attention
    Trump got booed for stating it was good. Voting doesn’t matter. I just keep buying ammo and supplies.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    1) Infuriates me.
    2) Absolutely not.
    3)Yes, however I thought more of our government and our society back then (we had moral elders and relatively decent folks).

    That little jab, if forced toward me, will result in far more lead going to the jabber and friends. Simply, I will not comply and no one short of God has the authority to tell me otherwise.
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  • Posted by $ 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    Last I heard the CEO of Pfizer is still saying he won't take the vaccine. Last I heard, half the staff at CDC won't "get the jab". In looking at the numbers and true vaccine effectiveness going forward with future variants this just can't be about preventing COVID. This is something else.
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  • Posted by 25n56il4 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    To be completely involved here you have to understand the mindset of those in DC. I was a Federal Lobbyist for many years. I always said these people arrive in DC and say, "Now that I have been elected, my first responsibility is to get myself re-elected! Bingo!
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    • Posted by freedomforall 3 months, 2 weeks ago
      By killing off (or imprisoning in concentration camps) more anit-Democrat voters than Democrat voters?
      He already has the most powerful voter fraud organization in history. If it's just about getting more votes counted, why bother?
      imo, it's more than that. The goal is absolute power and control (aka slavery.)
      One hundred million people in American population are easier to control than 340 million,
      especially if the population reduction eliminates more people who have experienced freedom
      and haven't been brainwashed to accept government as their lord and savior.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    I got the vaccine and have had no ill effects ... because I saw it as being in my self-interest.

    They will go as far as they want to go, and I will object if and when I see fit to do so. If necessary, I can go Galt.
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    • Posted by $ Dobrien 3 months, 2 weeks ago
      You very well may have gotten a placebo. This is the largest medical trial in history and most folks involved miss that crucial point.
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      • Posted by $ jbrenner 3 months, 2 weeks ago
        If it was a placebo, it was a damn good one. I did have the usual aches and pains of a vaccine shot for most of a day, including a small fever during a night of the first vaccine.
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        • Posted by $ Dobrien 3 months, 2 weeks ago
          Those sound like ill effects. Your previous comment said “no I’ll effects” sorry for taking your statement literally:)
          My sister who was 69 died three weeks ago and had the shot in January. She had a similar reaction. Both of our grand mothers lived to 90,91. Our mother died at 87. Our 5 aunts lived to their 90,s . She complained of severe back pain and visited the ER and was released 2 days before waking up complaining of difficulty breathing within a half an hour she was gone. Her death certificate reads natural causes. No autopsy done.
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          • Posted by $ jbrenner 3 months, 2 weeks ago
            Almost all vaccines result in a day of aches and pains and maybe a brief fever. That is your phagocytic response to the alien invader.

            Most people with true "ill effects" have an anaphylactic phagocytic response to COVID. People with immune compromise don't have enough eosinophils to regulate themselves back to "normal". This is a problem that ought to be looked at as a PID control problem.
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      • Posted by $ jbrenner 3 months, 2 weeks ago
        If it was a placebo, it was a damn good one. I did have the usual aches and pains of a vaccine shot for most of a day, including a small fever during a night of the first vaccine.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 3 months, 2 weeks ago
    This sounds like the same insanity that people have made up about every US president since WWW made the Internet easily accessible. I actually think I recall hearing this same sort of crap on the Bob Lassiter talk show about Reagan and Bush when I was kid in the heyday of local talk radio. This makes me think it's been with us since the beginning of time.

    I hope I'm right. There's a kernel of truth this conspiracy in that many people are angry at people who refuse to be vaccinated. I think this is a bad development because a) I think part of living in a society means accepting some risks of your neighbors' bad decisions and b) I think the right to your body is sacrosanct, whether it's abortion, drugs you want to use, vaccines you don't want to use, or a rational decision to end your life. The conspiracy theories are bad because they're irrational but also because they could imply that if mainstream scientific opinion turns out to be right then the gov't does have a right to force people to get their immunizations.

    A think this is academic b/c there have been anti-vaxxers for a long time, and there are schools and jobs that don't require immunization. I hope that's not famous-last-words on my part.
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    • Posted by $ Dobrien 3 months, 2 weeks ago
      This is not a vaccine. A vaccine uses part of the virus to create an immune response in the inoculated. You have strong opinions and weak knowledge. “Conspiracy Theories are bad ,because they are irrational” to argue with people who lack reasoning is like administering medicine to the dead.
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      • Posted by $ 3 months, 2 weeks ago
        Night before last my pediatrician sat with me in my gym and told me his 19-year old male patient was in the hospital with what appears to be permanent heart damage from the Pfizer shot. Is that an irrational conspiracy theory? Or is it a conspiracy theory to point out that he has no legal recourse? Or, maybe my doctor just made it all up and the story that there's no legal recourse (other than the Federal vaccine injury court) is also just a made up conspiracy theory. You might have a point, I admit. I got into a heated discussion just yesterday with a friend, in front of about 10 onlookers, about the media-induced talking points he was spewing trying to argue for forced vaccination: "only the non-vaccinated are getting COVID", hospitals are full of patients, etc.

        What I'm seeing is a society being divided by this topic and a majority of people only get their information from the evening news. This is creating the strangest "democracy" I've ever heard of and will probably turn into, "You have to take this medical product because you're outnumbered." And, if you think that sounds like an irrational conspiracy theory I can't disagree. It does sound like that. Haha...
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